What Would Happen if the Earth Were Actually Flat?

by |January 24, 2018
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If Earth were flat, you’d know it, because a lot of things would work differently. Photo: Pexels

By Doug Main

Welcome to the new year, 2018. The Earth has yet again made a revolution about the sun. But not so fast. If you subscribe to the idea of a flat Earth, then you’d believe that no such thing happened, because the sun rotates in a circle around the sky.

Humans have known for thousands of years that the planet is round, yet the belief in a flat Earth refuses to die. Members of the Flat Earth Society and several celebrities, including Atlanta rapper B.o.B and NBA player Kyrie Irving, claim to hold such beliefs. Let’s examine, then, how the well-known principles of physics and science would work (or not) on a flat Earth.

Gravity Fails

First of all, a pancaked planet might not have any gravity. It’s unclear how gravity would work, or be created, in such a world, says James Davis, a geophysicist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. That’s a pretty big deal, since gravity explains a wide range of Earthly and cosmic observations. The same measurable force that causes an apple to fall from a tree also causes the moon to orbit the Earth and all the planets to orbit the sun.

People who believe in a flat Earth assume that gravity would pull straight down, but there’s no evidence to suggest it would work that way. What we know about gravity suggests it would pull toward the center of the disk. That means it would only pull straight down at one point on the center of the disk. As you got increasingly far from the center, gravity would tug more and more horizontally. This would have some strange impacts, like sucking all the water toward the center of the world, and making trees and plants grow diagonally, since they develop in the opposite direction of gravity’s pull.

Solar Problems

Then there’s the sun. In the scientifically supported model of the solar system, the Earth revolves around the sun because the latter is much more massive and has more gravity. However, the Earth doesn’t fall into the sun because it is traveling in an orbit. In other words, the sun’s gravity isn’t acting alone. The planet is also traveling in a direction perpendicular to the star’s gravitational tug; if it were possible to switch off that gravity, the Earth would shoot away in a straight line and hightail it out of the solar system. Instead, the linear momentum and the sun’s gravity combine, resulting in a circular orbit around the sun.

The flat Earth model places our planet at the center of the universe, but doesn’t suggest that the sun orbits the Earth. Rather, the sun circles over the top side of the world like a carousel, broadcasting light and warmth downward like a desk lamp. Without the linear, perpendicular momentum that helps generate an orbit, it’s unclear what force would keep the sun and moon hovering above the Earth, Davis says, instead of crashing into it.

Likewise, in a flat world, satellites likely wouldn’t be possible. How would they orbit a plane? “There are a number of satellite missions that society depends on that just wouldn’t work,” Davis says. For this reason, he says, “I cannot think of how GPS would work on a flat Earth.”

If the sun and moon just loop around one side of a flat Earth, there could presumably be a procession of days and nights. But it wouldn’t explain seasons, eclipses and many other phenomena. The sun would also presumably have to be smaller than Earth so as to not burn up or bump into our planet or the moon. However, we know the sun to be more than 100 times the diameter of the Earth.

Removing Heaven and Earth

Deep below ground, the solid core of the Earth generates the planet’s magnetic field. But in a flat planet, that would have to be replaced by something else. Perhaps a flat sheet of liquid metal. That, however, wouldn’t rotate in a way that creates a magnetic field. Without a magnetic field, charged particles from the sun would fry the planet. They could strip away the atmosphere, as they did after Mars lost its magnetic field, and the air and oceans would escape into space.

Tectonic plate movement and seismicity depend on a round Earth, because only on a sphere do all the plates fit together in a sensible way, Davis says. Movements of plates on one side of the Earth effect movements on the other. The areas of the Earth that create crust, like the mid-Atlantic ridge, are counterbalanced by places that consume crust, like subduction zones. On a flat Earth, none of this could be adequately explained. There’d also have to be an explanation for what happens to plates at the edge of the world. One could imagine they might fall off, but that would presumably jeopardize the proposed wall that prevents people from falling off the disk-shaped world.

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How some Flat Earthers map out the planet. The Arctic is at the center, and an “ice wall” around the edges supposedly prevents people from falling off. Image: Wiki Commons

Perhaps one of the most glaring oddities is that the proposed map of the flat Earth is totally different. It places the Arctic at the center while Antarctica forms an “ice wall” around the edges. In such a world, travel would look very different. Flying from Australia to certain parts of Antarctica would, for example, take forever—you’d have to travel over the Arctic and both Americas to get there. In addition, certain real-world feats, such as traveling across Antarctica (which has been done many times), would be impossible.

Falling Flat

Contrary to popular belief, it’s a misconception that many societies of serious, educated people ever actually believed in the flat Earth theory. “With extraordinary few exceptions, no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat,” historian Jeffrey Burton Russell noted in 1997. “A round Earth appears at least as early as the sixth century B.C. with Pythagoras, who was followed by Aristotle, Euclid, and Aristarchus, among others in observing that the earth was a sphere.”

As the scientist and writer Stephen Jay Gould once wrote, the idea that many people—including the Spaniards and Christopher Columbus—believed the Earth to be flat was largely concocted by 19th century writers such as Washington Irving, Jean Letronne and others. Letronne was “an academic of strong anti-religious prejudices… who cleverly drew upon both to misrepresent the church fathers and their medieval successors as believing in a flat earth,” Russell noted.

In any case, while it’s fun to imagine counterfactual scenarios, science proceeds by coming up with theories to explain observations. When it comes to these theories, the simpler, the better, Davis says. The flat Earth idea, however, clearly begins with the idea that the planet is planar, and then attempts to twist other observations to its benefit. You can find odd explanations for individual phenomena under this framework, says Davis, but “it falls apart pretty quickly.”

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113 thoughts on “What Would Happen if the Earth Were Actually Flat?

  1. Lynn Kempen says:

    It is painfully obvious you have not investigated the Flat Earth theory.
    Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

    Please explain why we no longer have the technology to send a man through the Van Allen belt. Then give me one example of the alleged curve, which, per your model’s dimensions, drops 8″ per every mile squared (8″ in 1st mile, 32″ at 2nd mile, 72″ at 3 miles.) This is should be readily documentable on any large body of water. Yet, there is not one physical example found on Earth.

    1 Thess 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

  2. Sarah Fecht says:

    Hi Lynn,

    We don’t have the technology to send humans through the Van Allen belt because the U.S. stopped making rockets that are meant for human spaceflight, period. NASA and SpaceX are currently working on fixing that with the SLS and Falcon Heavy.

    Further reading: https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

  3. Jordan says:

    If a theory begins with ‘It’s a conspiracy’ you can probably guess there isn’t going to be much in the way of scientific data. According to the Flat Earth community astronauts who have seen the planet from space are actors and all the photos of our blue marble are fake.
    Thank you for posting this article. Great information!

  4. Wil says:

    A simple experiment that any true fat Earther can try. set a laser at 3 meters above the ground, drive in a strait line in any direction along a flat plane in any direction you like for 13 Km. place a segmented graph that is 3 meters tall and see if that laser still shines at the 3 meter mark.

  5. Xheesie says:

    Ummm.. Lynn…? We have live feed video of Earth from the International Space Station, which is NO HOAX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_GlAOCHyE There are many photographs of Earth taken from space…. the photos show beyond any shadow of a doubt that our home planet is R-O-U-N-D, as in “spherical,” actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mve7hRaoH8U. And NONE of these facts is an affront or “assault” on God, who made it all and He made it ROUND. Goodness. Why not join the 21st Century? You’re seriously behind the times.

  6. Beau S. says:

    I’m not disproving the geocentric or the heliocentric theory, I am merely pointing out several flaws in your understanding of either. First NASA does not and cannot fly above “low Earth” orbit. This is by their own admission. They cannot pass through the Van Allen belts, also by their own admission. Every “blue marble” picture of Earth IS a composite, they are Photoshoped images, once again, by their own admission. Why? Because they CANNOT fly above “low Earth” orbit. Bill Bye said very plainly, “The Earth is a ” closed system “, we cannot leave the Earth. There is nowhere for us to go.”
    Second. In the flat Earth or geocentric model, there is no gravity, at least not in the sense scientists explain gravity. It is simplified to mere weight and buoyancy. “An object has weight, therefore, it falls.” There is no unseen force to cause this.
    Third. Water is always is a flat plain It is always level. Water cannot bend. If the round ball Earth has such vast oceans those oceans MUST be bending or curving to form said ball and water will not do that. People who tell you that a live feed from a balloon at an altitude of nearly 100000 feet is NOT high enough to see any detectable curvature, are the same ones who tell you that the curvature can be seen by watching ships on the ocean disappear over the horizon. Any common telephoto lense brings the vanished ship right back into view again.
    Seek the truth with an open mind and no preconceived notions. Put every claim and every theory to the test. Believe no one. Judge and test yourself. Not just one side or the other but all sides and all theories.

  7. le says:

    Dear Lynn we do have the tech to send human through the van allen belts and it will be proven again when space tourism happens in the next decade, I personally dont think they had the capability to go through belts in the 60’s., but that another story… also google lake pontchartrain transmission lines, USA, that is one example and fact of the alleged curve, ok so you say that they have been done on photoshop, then youtube it, plenty of people video recording it on there

  8. Lewis says:

    I’m pretty sure if Earth was flat people would fly planes over the edge to prove it, or show the edge with pictures.

  9. Guy says:

    responding to Lewis’ comment…………i dont know anybody with a plane with that kind of range, maybe the U.S. government……i heat they are very forthcoming

    responding to Lewis’comment………..I dont know anybody with a plane with that kind of range. The U.S. government perhaps, maybe they shoulda checked that out on their trip back from the moon………

  10. Mike Rapp says:

    “Every “blue marble” picture of Earth IS a composite, they are Photoshoped images, once again, by their own admission.”

    This is a wholly false statement. All photos of earth are not composites. At no point has NASA ever said all photos from space are composites.

    Furthermore, to create a composite you need a series of actual photographs. Therefore composites are, by definition, actual photos. NASA uses composites because the only other way of capturing a full view of earth would require an extreme wide angle lens, which would distort the photo.

    You can use Photoshop to un-warp a wide angle photo but doing so removes granular digital data that effects sharpness. Therefore it is “better” to take a series of photos and use Photoshop to stitch them together digitally. This is done every day by photo editors like me.

    Finally, I am an expert level graphic artist, include Photoshop. Virtually every photo we see in the advertising world has been edited in Photoshop. That fact doesn’t mean the photo isn’t “real” or “accurate.” Sunlight and lenses artifically color and distort images by default, and designers use Photoshop and Lightroom to shift them back to what we commonly consider to be accurate.

    What’s amazing to me is that the vast majority of photos from space are not edited other than shifting color balance to adjust for sunlight radiation. They are in fact the most real photos of nature we have as a society.

  11. Mike Rapp says:

    “Bill Bye said very plainly, “The Earth is a ” closed system “, we cannot leave the Earth. There is nowhere for us to go.”

    Bill Bye, whomever he is, is an idiot. Just because he said this doesn’t make it true.

    “Second. In the flat Earth or geocentric model, there is no gravity, at least not in the sense scientists explain gravity.0

    You have a completely unproven “model” which is not based in trial and error. Calling this concept a model makes it sound credible, which it is not by any reasonable standard of trial and error, ie the scietific method.

    “Water is always is a flat plain It is always level. Water cannot bend.”

    Water is made of molecules that move organIt relative to gravity. Liquid water isn’t flat. It does in fact bend.

    “Any common telephoto lense brings the vanished ship right back into view again.”

    False. Utterly false. sorry I am a photographer. You can’t just say something like this. Total BS

  12. ddd says:

    the earth is flat, okay?

  13. Anonymous says:

    if earth was flat, were is the edge of it. Explain that.

  14. Robert Magee says:

    Just ask people who navigate the planet by sea or air. They have to know precise distances from point to point. In the flat earth map, the distances are hugely stretched as move out from the center.
    Here are some actual distances that could only fit on a spherical globe:
    9675 km Distance from Johannesburg to Oslo, Norway
    11,034 km Distance from Johannesburg to Sydney
    2,155 km Distance from Auckland to Sydney
    2384 km Distance from Portland, OR to Kansas City

  15. RBarr says:

    As someone above has already stated, water does bend – unless Niagara Falls, Angel Falls, Bridal Veil Falls, and other notable waterfalls and rapids are (1) Photoshopped or (2) optical elusions. Water bends when you pour it from a glass or use a hose. It bends at every joint and fixture in your plumbing. In fact, it is impossible in nature to see liquid water that’s NOT bending. It takes the shape of whatever contains it. Even the (smooth) water in lakes bends from the force of the wind lightly ruffling it. (I would also include ocean surf and the tides, but those are probably woven into the conspiracy theory about Earth, so no.)

    So just because the “earth is flat” doesn’t mean its features all have to be pancake shaped. Heck, PEOPLE are mostly water, and I personally don’t think there’s a living, breathing Flat Stanley anywhere among us. Not now, not ever.

    No, but seriouly.

    Another thing – the Space Race began in 1957. As it unfolded, its events were well documented on film by real people, both pros and amateurs, with video- and still-image cameras. Not to mention these people were eye witnesses. Lay people at the Cape Canaveral launch viewing site and astronauts who were recruited for the various missions took pictures both from Earth and in orbit around Earth with Instamatic cameras and higher resolution NASA equipment.

    Film, not digital files. Negatives, videos, and prints whose properties are not conducive to manipulation. Countless photos and videos representing a very spherical Earth, captured by Not-Flat Stanleys from the Cape, lunar spacecraft, and orbiting capsules. Certainly not hidden away til someone could invent digital cameras, scanners and editing programs.

    With film it took skill just to make a double exposure worth viewing, much less manipulate complex elements in photographs. The vintage ones were/are authentic visual records of those orbital flights, moon missions, landings, and explorations. The same goes for verbal and written first-hand accounts.

    It was another 30 years, actually, before Photoshop was developed in 1987. Sold to Adobe in ’88 and released in 1990. Corel Paint and other digital image editing software were soon in business, too. But no viable programs were developed before Photoshop. So post-production digital editing (in other words, Photoshop) had no part to play in the familiar images from space that we have known since the 1960s. The iconic pictures of our blue globe, preserved in our archives and museums; displayed in books; shown in film; stored on our mobile phones, our tablets, and computers–they predate Photoshop by decades.

    You may claim that photos and videos of our globe are Photoshopped composites, and in the majority of cases I couldn’t dispute it because they’re digital. But those from the time before photo editing–those eerily calm images that made us gasp when they were published–just as there’s nothing to convince you the Flat Earth Theory is bogus, there’s nothing to convince me that it isn’t.

    I’m not easily persuaded, especially when a theory has no supporting evidence, either correlated or causal. Y’all are going to have to do better than that to make me believe me the earth is flat.

  16. Chuck says:

    What your missing is research.
    Your not being fair to yourself or your family if you can’t openly except the fact that the flat earth people have a legit argument.
    If you research the bible, the book of enock, mechanical gyroscopes, 8 inches curve per mile squared and use your common sense without influence from what you were told when you were 6 years old.

    Nobody understands gravity but we try to study it. Why can’t it just be based on density of an object. Heavy objects are more dense.
    A bowling ball is more dense/heavier than an air fill balloon but they both will sit on a counter.
    Fill the balloon with helium and it rises because it is lighter than air it has less density, not because of gravity.
    You can’t have it both ways.
    Ask any airplane pilots you know if they have to compinsate for curviture. They dont! Why is that? Wow, maybe you should research this and just maybe if your not a close minded person you may find the earth is flat.
    Water does not curve.
    The water in florida is as flat as the water in hong kong china.
    Place a matchstick on a basketball and open your mind to something other than a Hollywood movie.
    Flat earthers are your friends and neighbors and only ask you to prove the earth isnt flat but please don’t let some so called pictures from space be the only evidence you have to contribute.
    Just humor yourself for a second and ask yourself, what if the Apollo 11 pics are fake?
    What would you do? Do you rely on a 500 year old calculation that the earth is a sphere.
    Just because you read it in a book of science doesn’t make it so.
    The human eye can only see so far, only to the vanishing point which some say is 6 or 7 miles.
    On water or maybe the salt flats you go out untill nobody can see you but, then they pick up some optics and poof there you are, why? What happened to the curviture of 8 inches per mile squared? You realize that at about 4 miles the eart curves more that 4 feet so how can you see a complete car at 10 on a flat road or a boat on the water.
    If you’ve read this far you are starting to realize there may be something to this.
    Don’t be haters just experiment it for yourself and prove to yourself that the earth is flat or round, you do the 6 mile test, then you will be awakening.
    Piece be with us all.

  17. LC says:

    In a “flat earth model”, can someone explain why the celestial sky rotates clock-wise in the Southern Hemisphere and then it rotates counter-clockwise in the Northern hemisphere? This seems to only fit with the earth being a globe.

  18. Ron Cab says:

    @LC.

    Movement of celestial bodies as you mentioned is clockwise in the southern hemisphere and counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere can be logically explainable by a globe earth. And I agree.

    But it can also be explained with a flat earth with a dome atmosphere that serves as a giant dome lens through which we see the stars. You might be surprised that it would give similar visuals. (And also how we see the sun the way we see it moves across the sky and how it partially lightens a flat earth). Kindly check it out if you are interested to really know the arguments of both sides. God bless.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWsWNsuP-KI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-k63f0CUgs

  19. Donald says:

    Flat earthers always tends to say all photos are photoshopped, mind you, unless you’re still a child you’d realise that space photos we’re here even long before Photoshop was existed, plus even before NASA was even existed, the earth was already proven to be round. Don’t believe everything you read, do experiments yourselves

  20. Udge says:

    No pole to pole circumnavigation……we have west to east but no north/ south. There is one entry in the Guinness book of records given to an English guy for north south circumnavigation BUT he didn’t cross Antarctica and sail back to his starting point! He started from the North Pole and travelled to the tip of Antarctica………then turned back! That’s not completing a full circle……maybe it’s not possible…….cos earth is flat…..check it out and be honest with yourselves.

  21. Scott says:

    Why isANTARCTICA completely off limits to private explorers? What are they hiding?
    If you walk around your neighborhood does that make it a ball? The plane earth surrounded by a 50,000 mile circular ice wall makes a hell of a lot more sense than the globe earth theory, and let’s be clear, this 500 year old theory has NEVER been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, once it is, the flat earth theory will go away, but not until then.
    No one wants to believe they’ve been lied to their entire lives, to admit it makes you look foolish, but to ignore it makes you look insane. As Admiral bird said, there is vast amounts of unexplored land beyond the south “pole” and some of it is tropical in nature. Land rich in minerals and gold and uranium and oil exists beyond the pole, you don’t just continue south beyond the pole and suddenly travel north back up towards the North Pole , which is what happens when circumnavigating from north to south. They have been lying to us, they are hoarding whatever is beyond Antarctica for themselves, or there is something there that forbids public disclosure. Either way, I have found the flat earth theory to be more believable with the scientific evidence that can be proven. Wake up people, don’t let them enslave your minds as well as your bodies!

  22. Kacie says:

    I do see how both views could be true. There are valid arguments on both sides. I have come to the conclusion that we really can’t KNOW anything. We think we know what we are taught, but then we find evidence that causes us to question it. And let’s face it, ‘un-learning’ isn’t fun. And maybe, earth is neither a sphere, nor a plane. Maybe it is something else entirely, like a holographic illusion! Our perceptions are not always trustworthy! Our brains can lie to us and they often do! For instance, I went on a cruise recently, and upon disembarking, I still felt the ship moving. The land beneath my feet did not feel still. This continued for 2-3 weeks! My brain was telling me I was still at sea, when I was certainly not. So now I am at the place where I don’t trust much anymore. Not what is written in books, not what I was taught, and not even my own perceptions. It’s actually quite scary and I feel insecure not knowing what to believe. It makes me realize how important ‘beliefs’ really are to us. And what makes us so curious? I still ask questions even though I realize they may never be answered. Here’s one:… if the earth is flat, why doesn’t the sun ‘shrink’ into the distance if it’s just hovering overhead in a circle and gets further away? The size of the sun does not seem to change on the horizon or overhead. Here’s another:… I have the original LIFE magazine after man landed on the moon in July ’69. The centerfold pages instead of being a photograph, are a painting. The only picture is a small thumbnail of man’s first step on the moon. All the photos I’ve seen of the lunar landing do look rather fake… like a movie set. And the earth view from the moon is always very small in size, sometimes different sizes. Astronauts vary about what they say… some say earth is small, some say huge, some say they can’t see the stars, others say they see so many stars. The ISS Live Feed keeps them in daylight more than 45 mins… and it doesn’t always agree with being where my phone app says they are. Once the Live Feed had them in daylight, but it was over my house at 9:30 pm in total darkness. So there is some strangeness going on, I don’t know, maybe it can be explained somehow. I hate to think people in power have been lying to us. NASA’s logo is rather odd as well. The red part does look like a forked tongue. One last question… what are all the meteor showers we have in spring and fall? If we are in an enclosed dome, where do they come from and what are they? OK, enough for now. I hope one day we’re all on the same page. Jesus said “If you abide in my Word, you are my disciples indeed, and you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.” He also said He was the Truth. (And I guess it takes faith to believe He said that, right?) 😀 Yeah…. I don’t know if we need to ‘wake up’, I think most of us are already ‘awake.’ We just have to keep on questioning, and not be afraid to let go of old belief systems. In my case, I don’t think knowledge is power. For me, knowledge is security. I want to have these answers because I want to feel safe. Blessings, all!

  23. Philip says:

    It is interesting that status quo ‘science’ mocks FEers. The Op also is hateful and unprofessional. I am a 61 y/o physician required to give photographic proof to CMS … with GPS, time-stamps, and sequential photos. CMS does not trust its doctors and their fraud.

    Globists, OTOH, have no such photographic validation.

    For 55+ years of ample time, space agencies have never independently validated any photos whatsoever. Yet, I witness plenty of fraudulent footage by the all space agencies.

    FE models appear to me experimentally proven (land, sea, or sky) . And, until we demo footage or experiments that actually prove otherwise, it behooves me to believe earth is flat and stationary.

  24. All you flat earthers try getting the south pole. Really these flat earthers too much sci-fi [Edited]. And Stranger you say you have members all AROUND the globe. Sound familiar.

  25. Jerry says:

    Do any of you flat earthers realize that if the earth was flat you would be able to see a lit candle from 20 miles away, your field of vision would be almost unlimited,

  26. There is a tendency for people to reject that reality, that science of the day, on comfortable myths. Things that make them feel at home things that make them much happier that they know what’s going on.

  27. Eduardo says:

    Flat earth?
    Viewing range in a powerful telescope would be astronomical yet cant see the things on antartica? For example stand on burj khalifa and look through with a telescope. If you cant see antartica, then the earths curved.
    Seasons. Imagine the people that belong on the southern hemisphere still receiving the same quality of heat and light in a winter and summer season.
    A star is a ball of fire, yet spit spotlight like light and heat? You flat earth could say the science of today cant be understood by the generality and still a theory..but what you flat earthers are saying was MAGIC. Sun is smaller than earth but is hot? Unless its colored bluish white, i cant believe it to produce stroking heat with that orange color…
    If earth was not round, then why is there magnetic field. Aurora is the product of light EM waves, bending on the polar regions as the suns light shine… You cant also see the changing of color of the sky due to rayleigh scattering if its not curved.
    The eclipse..how on earth would you explain that? The moon earth and sun suddenly rearrange for a matter of time as if its normal then back to flat again???
    If you say there is no gravity, how did the universe even begun? How did it rearange itself. If your saying its density, then to where does that lead it to? I say the gravity sets that direction..
    How could you explain the meteors and comets if its not due to planetary motion and gravitational force.
    How do you explain the atomsphere? Is it flat? The weather? The current?
    How can someone travel straight for hours get a curved displacement by following the model of a flat earth? And for shits sake, the east to west is a straight path only facing forward, not inching to left or right.
    Then this is a more simple question, how did the earth originate systematically for a flat earther?

  28. Christopher says:

    Re: Udge
    April 10, 2018 at 9:53 pm
    “No pole to pole circumnavigation” – This is untrue.

    UNITED KINGDOM (GREENWICH)
    When
    29 AUGUST 1982
    The first surface circumnavigation via both the geographical Poles was achieved by Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles Burton (both UK) of the British Trans-Globe Expedition. They travelled south from Greenwich, London, UK on 2 September 1979, crossed the South Pole on 15 December 1980, the North Pole on 10 April 1982, and returned to Greenwich on 29 August 1982 after a 56,000 km (35,000 mile) journey.
    Source: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-circumnavigation-via-both-poles-surface

  29. Mike Shellenberger says:

    FLAT EARTH = EVERYONE DIES sun burns us up there would be no magnetic field to protect us [edited]

  30. sophie Robinson says:

    weirdness ensues. How do satellites stay up over a flat earth?

  31. Nordie says:

    Why doesn’t NASA put a camera on the moon and do a 24 hr loop of earth? And while they are at it , NASA could send probes to do 24 hour loop of south America , Antarctica to show people walking upside down , buildings on their sides, waterfalls running backwards / upside down ect. that might settle this debate. However, I don’t think NASA can do this .
    It makes more sense to me that everyone on earth believes that they are standing upright at a 90 degree angle. that rivers are flowing N-S and S -N which seems crazy if earth is a spinning ball. Also, when we look up at sky and watch sun and stars they move above us. I trust my senses!

  32. Charlie says:

    Prove me the Earth is rounded. Don’t show the boring old painted NASA ones since 1972. There’s one saying SEX on it. Shame on you all scientists. 2 little girls send their digital little camera up in a balloon and you know what???. There ain’t a drugging curvature for 6 miles wide, not even for 100 mile radius.

    One day NASA’s deception will come when they will start showing rovers and men in cgi going to the Moon and then Mars. Just waiting for the gaffes, lol.is it 2020 yet..hehe

  33. threepeeoh says:

    So if the earth is indeed flat this means that science is a scam (I cannot think of a motive for lying about the shape of earth). Let’s say (hypothetically) that ALL scientists are a part of this lie. This would mean that I could enroll in collage right now and begin courses to become a scientist. Through my research and tests I would discover that the laws of nature aren’t what I’ve been told and the earth is indeed flat. At what point do I decide to be a part of the lie and claim that earth is round? Am I threatened to go along with the lie? This is a thing that people who are becoming scientists are doing every day right? You could become a scientist and this would inevitably be the way you would react to proof of a flat earth? I don’t think it would be. I think science loves proving itself wrong. That’s what science is….a constant addition of updates and studies yielding the same results independently in different parts of the world. I have my issues with NASA but just because I don’t trust NASA I’m not pessimistic about science in general. After all, science is the reason a flat earther can post a comment denying science and it’s instantly seen by the entire world. Kinda ironic isn’t it?

  34. sorin says:

    Science didnt prove anything…they are storyteller…and making lotta money. What a shame to lie and be paid.

  35. Em says:

    If the earth was flat how could planes and ships/boats be able to sail/fly west to south and/or south to west. I’ll tell you how… it WOULDNT BE POSSIBLE! You are then saying that the ships pass the Antarctic or Atlantic to get west to south making the bow outwards to get around the flat edge like clockwise or anti-clockwise around the flat plate (imagine a clock face laying on your kitchen table) world to get to. [Edited] If you don’t believe the astronauts that have been into space why don’t you go for yourselves and we will be here waiting for you to return and say we were right so we can laugh in your face.

  36. Lloyd Hunt says:

    Your article falls about rather quickly for anyone you truly thinks about it. But don’t worry most people don’t. You haven’t truly researched flat earth I can tell. You blindly believe what you’ve been told showing me your lack of intelligence. You’re right where you belong, with the other sheep.

  37. Simon Magus says:

    The earth is flat and motionless just as our eyes, senses and common sense tells us…you chose if you want to believe CGI, animations and globalist elites or yourself…

  38. Ronnie Foshee says:

    threepeeoh.. Why do we need to know a motive? That question alone keeps you held down from the truth! when you started kindergarden, You sat in a desk just like we did” We were not taugh”! we were indoctrinated. And as long as you remembered what was taught better than I,then you were so-called smarter.
    Do you think the scientist and the higher ups of society went to school like we did? Nope!
    This whole article looks very very uneducated,from the eyes of the one’s above like Simon, Lloyd and myself who took the time to find the truth!

  39. Tatu ross says:

    There are no truths only differences in perspective.

  40. Ydiop says:

    The one who rules this world is the father of all lies. The truth will unveil to all in time and not on our own timing, but His timing. When that time comes you can say, “Booyah! I told you so,” but then we would be doing what the enemy already wanted us to falling straight into his hands. Teach with humbleness and love and If they have ears to hear let them hear if not shake off the dust from your feet and go onto the next. If you’re an individual with a soul look inside yourself. What does your soul/spirit identify with? If you only know of one reality, I’d search and ask questions about the other one deep within your spirit/soul. You’re either hot or cold and can only serve one master. For those who are wise will understand, but for most it will make no sense. Blessings to you all brothers and sisters! Love and Peace be with you until the Day is come.

  41. David Dionne says:

    Hrm…so I lived on Kwajalein, Marshall Islands. We fished ocean-side every weekend for years. Many times the flocks took us great distances from the island. On our way back, using rediculious binoculars (like 150x50s it something, it was 30 years ago) we’d watch for the radar fish to come over the horizon as a visual verification. First we’d see the tippy top of the dish, the more and more and more. Idk, never thought much about it. But it never failed us.

    Make of this what you will…

  42. David Dionne says:

    Radar dish, not fish, stood about 200’ above sea level…I guess, we were in high school, so I didn’t pay much attention. We just did what we were told on how to get back home from open sea. Always worked.

  43. David Dionne says:

    And just to clarify, we fished for tuna mainly. Counterintuitively, to find the fish, you search the skies for flocks of birds going nuts just above the surface of the water. The tuna drove the bait fish up which attracted the birds. Then we’d troll through the ruckus with lines out. It’d eventually die down and we’d start searching the skies again. So it wasn’t uncommon to find ourselves 75+ miles away from the main island, Kwajalein.

    On a few occasions it took so long to get back that it was dark (yes, we got in trouble). And when the moon wasn’t bright, IT WAS DARK. We could see the lights from the island with the naked eye at the same time as we could with the binoculars. It was too dark to spot the dish, as I recall.

    Also, outside of a serious storm, or very strong winds, the open sea is surprisingly calm. Sometimes there’d be big rolling swells, but they weren’t tall, but very long…or low frequency. Was amazing.

    Kwajalein is an island in an atoll, a string of islands that usually comprise the ring of an ancient volcano. Lagoon side depths ran into the 400’s. Ocean side, miles. All ocean side boats required at least two methods of propulsion. The boats we took were small Boston Whalers with twin 90hp Evinrude engines.

  44. David Dionne says:

    Oh, there would also be times where we could see the birds, with the binoculars, but not the water…we wouldn’t go for those unless there was nothing closer cause it could take 10-15 min just to get there, and sometimes it’d die down before we got there. But when we did go for one, we’d keep checking for the water…to see how ‘boiling’ it was. We even joke around saying, I kid you not ‘why the fuk is the earth round! It’s interfearing with our fishing’

    Hope this helps…

  45. David Dionne says:

    It was funny, you know we were kinda scared when we got caught out in the dark. I remember, I was using the binoculars, frantically scanning the horizon. Then suddenly there were lights, I yelped “there it is, I see lights!” and my brother said “yeah, i know ding dong, we can see em too”. It was a relief. The next few times weren’t as stressful, for us. Parents didn’t appear any less unpleased. Great memories.

  46. Mark says:

    I do not care, flat or not, God or No God..pointless arguments, because you will not convince either party who is right or wrong even if the evidence is there.

  47. John Hudson says:

    Two points: First, even though they seem to take all the vitriol from the conspiracy mob, NASA is not the only space agency. There are at least seven national or geographic agencies, plus many private ones. At least two of the others, Russia and China, closely monitored the moon landings. If NASA had cheated, I’m sure those two nations would have loved to tell the world about it, but they didn’t, so it did happen. The first nation in space was Russia, not America. Both Russia and China have landed robot rovers on the moon, several of which can be seen from the Earth, when they reflect sunlight, and the laser reflectors the Americans left there are still being used today by several nations.
    Secondly: Why would many of the Earths nations, not just America, be spending Billions and Billions of Dollars, just to support a myth?

  48. Spheroidal Earth says:

    Everyone of the FE that say the crap about being able to see things beyond the curvature of the earth are forgeting about light refraction via water & atmosphere. But they don’t forget it when they try to say fish eye lense. Can’t have it both ways.

    Flat earthers riddle me this: How does Gravitropism work in your model of this lumpy pancake earth? How do plants know to grow roots down & stems/stalks/leaves up? How do I know even with my eyes closed that I am standing vertically or laying horizontally? How would vertigo work on this gravity lacking pancake?

    Also If earth were truly flat, we would be 2 dimentional. We would only see line segments of each other.

    That said, the earth is not a perfect sphere, its lumpy, oblonged & squished.

    You FEs use technology on a daily, hell even hourly baisis that proves earth is not flat.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7K5KjOdLD8#

  49. David Dionne says:

    I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, just sharing an experience from my life with the hope that I could serve as a data point.

    For all I know, the earth is a shallow arch that never completes a full circle.

  50. David Dionne says:

    Grrrr…not I, it could serve…

  51. David Dionne says:

    I’m sorry, I lied, I firmly believe the earth is round…or roundish. But I assure you, when I was in high school, I didn’t give a bleep what it was. I did find the horizon fascinating and everything I experienced reinforced the spherical nature of the earth.

  52. Bryon Seboldt says:

    When you begin to study both the flat earth and heliocentric model, the flat earth model by far makes more sense and is consistent with our every day observation and experience. The only reason most people (not all of course) believe the earth is round, spinning, and revolve around the sun, is because you were taught that in school, confirmed by your parents, and of course all of the pictures by NASA and a handful of other government space programs. When you start looking at these pictures with an open mind, you do start to realize how these pictures may not be real. As for gravity….. well it is only a theory and no one can actually prove it. You say gravity, but I say it is just a matter of the objects density. If gravity is real, then how can gravity be so mighty and strong to hold millions of gallons of ocean water, but yet weak and selective enough to allow an ant to walk the ground, or a bird to fly over the ocean?

  53. rodney says:

    1832-HOURS TWOSDAY JUNE 26, 2018 RHHCDT -PETRO ELOY, AZ – TEMP 118F – RATHER WARM –

    I ENJOYED READING EVERYONE’S POST, EVEN THE ONES I DO NOT AGREE WITH –

    FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE THE WORLD IS A FLAT PLAIN WITH MOUNTAINS, VALLEYS, AND OCEANS SURROUNDED ALL THE WAY AROUND ITS EDGE BY A WALL OF SOLID ICE THAT WE CALL ANTARCTICA, JUST LIKE IT SHOWS ON A FLAT EARTH MAP –

    HAVE YOU READ OF THE SEA CAPTAINS WHO SAILED CONTINUOUSLY, MANY THOUSANDS OF MILES AROUND THIS EDGE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AT A TIME, NEVER FINDING AN INLET OR OUTLET IN WHAT WE REFER TO AS ANTARCTICA-? – READ WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY, BEFORE YOU CLOSE YOUR MIND-!

    WHY THE “HUSH-HUSH” ABOUT ANTARCTICA-?

    WHY NOT OPEN THE GATES TO THIS SO-CALLED SEVENTH CONTINENT AND ALLOW WHOEVER CHOOSES FREE AND UN-CONTROLLED ACCESS TO THIS UNCHARTED ENIGMA-?

    JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THESE UNITED STATES I WAS INDOCTRINATED TO BELIEVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I HAVE NOW FOUND TO BE AN OUT AND OUT LIE. . .SOME OF THE INDOCTRINATION TOOK PLACE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL AND SOME IN SUNDAY SCHOOL AND SOME FROM TV AND MOVIES-!

    LIKE ME, THE FIRST LIE YOU WERE EVER TOLD MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABOUT SAMMY KLAUS (Santa Claus) – THE EASTER BUNNY – OR THE TOOTH FAIRY BUT YOU EVENTUALLY REALIZED IT WAS JUST THAT, A SILLY, HARMLESS, CUTE, LITTLE LIE; OR WAS IT-?

    WHEN YOU AWAKE AND REALIZE THAT YOU WERE INDOCTRINATED (brain-washed) YOU BEGIN A SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU’D LIKE THE ANSWER TO IS “WHY WAS I BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE CERTAIN THINGS-?”

    AT MANY POINTS IN ONE’S LIFE SOME OF THE THINGS WE WERE TAUGHT JUST DON’T ADD UP BUT YOU CAN’T FIGURE OUT WHY – AND THEN ONE DAY YOU STUMBLE ACROSS A GEM OF TRUTH, BEND DOWN AND PICK IT UP AND YOUR WORLD CHANGES FOREVER; YOUR MIND AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING ARE QUICKENED AND YOU BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND-!

    I DO NOT BELIEVE MUCH OF THE OFFICIAL LIES TOLD BY THIS GOVERNMENT ABOUT ITSELF, THEIR MANY EXPLOITS, OR OUR SO CALLED HISTORY; EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER BEEN TAUGHT TO BELIEVE AS TRUTH IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW – BUT ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN STRENGTHENED IN MY LIFE SINCE COMING IN CONTACT WITH THE “FLAT-EARTH EVIDENCE” IS MY HOPE AND BELIEF IN “THE MOST HIGH” – KNOWN TO SOME AS, “I AM THAT I AM” AND TO OTHERS AS “YHWH”-!

    AT PRESENT, WE STILL HAVE THE FREEDOM TO BELIEVE AS WE CHOOSE, IN EVOLUTION OR CREATION BUT I HAVE NEVER DOUBTED INTELLIGENT DESIGN OR THE OBVIOUS EVIDENCE FOR CREATION. HOWEVER, SATAN’S SIDE NEEDS A GLOBE EARTH TO GIVE A MODICUM OF CREDIBILITY TO HIS LIES AND THE LIES TOLD BY THE ELITE OF THIS WORLD WHO INDEED, ARE HIS FOLLOWERS AND WORSHIPPERS-!

    ARE YOU ONE WHO SEEKS TRUTH OR THE COMPANIONSHIP OF FOOLS-? – AS FOR ME, I AM GOING TO SEEK TRUTH TO MY DYING BREATH, EVEN IF IT MEANS I HAVE TO ABANDON EVERYTHING I WAS EVER TAUGHT IN SCHOOL OR CHURCH TO BE TRUTH-!

    MATHEMATICS, COMMON SENSE, AND THE BIBLE ALL DISPROVE A GLOBE EARTH – WHAT YOU WILL BELIEVE AND WHO YOU WILL BELIEVE IS YOUR CHOICE-!

    rodney-psalms 27

  54. Camilo says:

    the main problem is the amount of lies that some supposed scientific institutions have told us, and that opens the door for people to create their own theories in search of their truth. as a teacher I point out to my students that everything must have an explanation, an example that I use is what happens if I ask a 5 year old child about the color of the sky, his immediate answer will almost always be blue, the child believes it and is not a lie for him, and this knowledge is reinforced by his daily life through cartoons and children’s books, his truth differs from mine but I can not blame him, what I should do is investigate and prove with irrefutable facts my truth

  55. Parker West says:

    Lynn seems to be coming at the question from a strictly Bible/Faith standpoint. Many Christians read the Bible literally meaning that if there are conflicts between what scientists observe and the writings in the Bible, one must deny science and stick with the Bible. The Bib;e claims repeatedly that the earth is flat, so it must be flat regardless of what NASA claims or astronomers have long known.
    Can a sphere be set in a foundation, secured by pillars? There are 100’s of scriptures describing the earth in ways that can only indicate a Flat Earth, here are a few…..
    1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

    Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …”

    Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable …”

    Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

    Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. – Psalms 96:10 

    Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. – Psalms 104:5

    Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”
    Suffice to say that the earth envisioned by flat-earthers is as immovable as any geocentrist could desire.

    The Hebrews believed in a flat earth with stars, planets and the sun moving back and forth above a immovable earth, The Old Testament was a book primarily written by and about Hebrews hence the first five books, in particular represent their thinking.

  56. Zach L says:

    How about we look at the United Nations Flag??? Uh oh!!!!! United Nations flag is the FLAT EARTH LOGO!!!!!

    There is no south pole. The ‘north pole’ is the center of earth!

    Antarctica surrounds us.

    The sky moves around the north star yet Earth is stationary.

  57. Zach L says:

    Gravity holds the oceans down yet I can jump 2 feet off the ground. and when I jump up and come down, I’m in the exact same place I was.

    Get in a helicopter and go up for 10 minutes. If earth was spinning, would the helicopter come down in the same exact place. OF COURSE IT WOULDNT!

    They put a globe in your classroom at age 5 and give u the big bang theory to
    get rid of GOD/the grand architect.

  58. The biggest difference I can see between flat-earthers and Globe supporters is; either accepting personally observable evidence VS accepting the word or result or conclusions or explanations of experts and scientist. It may sound crazy to NOT blindly accept the word of a scientist, but hey we live in a world were you can’t even trust VW.

    It’s no wonder people are turning inward towards personal observation about the world around them and collaborating with others to see what they think.

    There are things NASA could do to put this whole thing to bed, like show us a nice hi-resolution video or photo of earth in all it’s glory – no stitching of low earth sat photos woven together to digitally recreate what it would look like – and no live feed from the space station that only shows a sliver of earth at any given time. You can apparently show us nice hi-res photos of freaking Pluto but you can’t give us just one selfie!?

    C’mon NASA, you got no problem taking $18.4 billion dollars from US tax payers every year, I think we’ve more then paid for it. Where’s our selfie?

  59. John Benante says:

    What a totally insipid bunch of “arguments,” often interspersed with scripture, to “prove” the earth is flat.

    What I want to know is, WHY has this “hoax” been perpetrated on humanity for centuries? Who, or what, gains from the “false” belief that earth is round? Some pretty powerful people have to be benefitting from this “fake science” in order to suppress the “truth” of a flat earth so thoroughly and for so long.

    So… what is it then? Does a belief in a spherical earth give some cabal the power of mind control? How is such a belief making money for the Deceivers?

    Or is the purpose simply to discredit God and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? In order to, what? Usher in a godless one-world government? Or are the employees at NASA all fabulously rich from getting that $18 billion per year to perpetuate the hoax?

  60. Robatyde says:

    Zach L might be right you know. On one occasion in April I was on a fast train to London-Euston and there was a common house fly sat on the top of the seat next to me, when it took off it slammed straight into the vestibule door at about 73mph. I was going to ‘jump-up’ from my seat to use the toilet but I thought better of it and carefully walked away with always one foot firmly on the floor of the train to avoid the same fate as the fly. A close-call and some sound advice for all I think.

    There is one question I’d like to ask though if someone will indulge me; Globe-Earthers support the theory (some might even say fact) that the Sun star shining upon Earth is very large at ~1.4mil km dia, very far away, composed of high-pressure gasses that are constantly fusing together to release a fair amount of heat energy which provides UK with near-record-breaking temperatures this month (34º+ if anyone’s interested), and lots of bright light. My question is this: do Flat-Earthers believe the Sun to be a similar cosmological body, similar size, composition, production and distance from Earth? Or is it smaller, closer, inside or outside of the atmosphere-protecting dome and somewhat non nuclear-active? Love to know what the most supported idea is on this one.

  61. Aris says:

    We didn’t always know the earth is a globe. Humanity has evolved to have more and more intelligent individuals. Nowadays the majority of the people understand the earth’s nature and shape. There is still a minority that can believe anything. Trying to convince them with intelligent arguments will not achieve anything. [Edited] For some it might be entertaining, for others it may appear insulting to their intelligence. The fact is a fact and the earth is not flat. If they cannot understand it and they want to believe otherwise, let them do so and ridicule themselves until space travel becomes affordable for virtually everybody and they experience it by default.

  62. Russ L says:

    If you don’t trust NASA try
    Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency
    Whole image of Earth: http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/e/snews/2004/0519_new.shtml
    NASA and JAXA say the images were created by combining three images. They combined red green and blue.

  63. Angela Thoede says:

    How come we see Venus and Mercury at night? On a round earth with the heliocentric model, Venus and Mercury would always be between earth and the sun and therefore never visible in our night skies.

  64. Sarah Fecht says:

    Hi Angela,

    Earth, Venus, and Mercury orbit occasionally do line up, but most of the time they don’t, and there’s a good explanation for it. The planets orbit at different speeds because of their different distances from the Sun–planets that are farther from the Sun move slower. Plus, planets that are farther away from the Sun have to travel a lot farther to complete their loop around the Sun.

    You can imagine that Venus is like a fast racecar moving around a small track, and Earth is a slower car moving around a larger track that encircles the Venus track, and Mars is somewhere in between.

    Perhaps this visualization will help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8aBZZnv6y8

  65. John Carter says:

    So many so-called scientific and observational “proofs” are always cited to support the Globe earth theory. YET the theory began long before any of these methods of “proving” it even existed! This is an exact demonstration of the charges levied against conspiracy theorists; first an idea is formulated, then “proof” is found to support it. How ironic.

  66. You will be wrong to think we are more informed now than those before the 21st century. My approach to what we tag as ‘conspiracy theories’ would be to filter opposition theories, compare with both observational and historical facts then see what are the possible conclusions. We all know there is no conclusion in science. What we accept as facts today could be proven as a hoax tomorrow. The way we see things are evolving as the apparent growth in technology influence our intellect. I can confidently say, there was a civilization millions of years ago that had an advanced technology than we have right now. Their disappearance is a mystery we must first solve to answer the questions we keep asking ourselves today. Flat earth or round (spherical) earth – the actual or true shape of the earth is not yet known to us. They are only hypothesis. Do not believe what you see because you are only seeing what you want to see.

  67. Kriod WPG says:

    Well if you look up a website entitled ” Is Kansas as Flat As A Pancake” you will see that a recent Utah University study concluded that the state of Kansas is even FLATTER than a Pancake ! Not only that but there are 6 states that are even flatter! Even Texas – consisidered to be the 2nd largest state in the USA is ranked next to Kansas for flatness. So you diehard roundies have got a really big problem here. Bottom line is the 1st person to fly a balloon over 10 miles up above earth was a man named Auguste Picard. Back in 1931 Popular Science wrote that when Picard was asked the shape of the earth he replied ” It looks flat with upturned edges. ” (As per Wikipedia). This was well before The US Government decided to bring in Wernher Von Braun and his gang of Nazi thugs to start up NASA . But even Wernher stated Psalms 19.1 on his tombstone which states ” The heavens declare the glory of god , and the firmanent sheweth his handiwork. “. So … the inventor of all those rockets that were to send men to the moon and beyond knew full well there was no way to get past low earth orbit and that we really do live in a contained world above . NASA was set up to hide the truth – and quite frankly watching some of these pathetic videos they put out with screw ups galore showing one guy gliding by back and forth being held up by wires and of course Mr Don Petit trying to BS us all with the he could go to the moon in a minute but NASA LOST the technology ??? Lmao . Plus his totally stupid explanation of the O Rings when questioned how those what looked like ordinary grommets could handle outer space he replied ” Really good O Rings” You can’t make stuff like this up from these buffoons – they actually get paid for this stuff. All I can do is shake my head and laugh at all this nonsense – hey if you still wantta believe these guys be my guest . What they do is just keep putting back timetables. Some day it will all come crashing down on them

  68. Edward D. Adler says:

    To Kriod

    America is not the only place in the world, and just because a land mass appears to be flat does not constitute the world being flat. If the world were truly flat, I could look outside my window to see New York or Boston or any part of America as a matter of fact. Picard was an intelligent man unlike most Americans today, and he meant, “It looked like a disk,” and, in fact, it does look like a disk through cameras and the human eye; however, if you were to rotate one’s view the earth would curve either to form a spherical earth or a crescent earth. It all has to do with light refraction in the atmosphere – a phenomenon that was known about before NASA existed – and what he saw had to do with the fact that he could not rotate on the x-axis; he could not correct the anomaly, so he simply stated what he saw as he collected information to assist Einstein with his theories – theories that all go against Flat Earther beliefs. You can even test light refraction at home with a prism like Picard had done; buy a prism, put it against your eye, view a surface then rotate on the x-axis. Wernher Von Braun and his “gang” were innocent scientists saved from a horrid regime that had plans to execute them all. As the allies bombarded Germany, the Nazis began executing everyone even those they forced into building weapons for their goals. Then, when America and the Soviet Union saved key scientists, Wernher did not create NASA; Wernher worked for the United States Army to continue constructing weapons until NASA had been created. His team and himself were then transferred to NASA. Pslams 19.1 is about how vast the universe is and how complex everything is so everything justifies the existence of god. Wernher was a Christian who believed, “The further we probe space, the greater my faith.” He mixed science with religion. How the hell does that mean “knew full well there was no way to get past low earth orbit and that we really do live in a contained world above”? Wernher got America to the Moon before the Soviets several times; if he believed we could not get past low earth orbit, we would not be in the era we are in. NASA was set up to hide what truth? The flat earth theory has been debunked since the sixth century, so why would they hide pseudoscience? NASA did not lose the technology; they lost funding, they lost the need to go to the moon, and they lost the need for human exploration of the moon. NASA has the technology to go to the Moon and even to Mars, but they are focused on probe-based exploration and, hopefully, in the 2020s they may send mankind on a one-way mission to mars. I’m reading an article about o-rings and the ISS and, apparently, you did not do research. “The inner shaft relies on a system of special grooves that compress the O-Rings with more, or less pressure as the windows open and close. When pressure is applied, the O-ring will move toward the low-pressure side of the groove, filling any holes that might be dangerous. At its core, this is the same concept used to seal a DSLR camera in an underwater housing… Of course, the O-Ring grooves on the ISS can be held with extreme precision, but this is a great example of using simple physics to solve complicated problems.” You know space has physics, right? Containers with high pressure will always leak to places with low pressure – it’s basic physics; the air in the International Space Station will leak into space because space has no pressure, thus, the o-rings are utilized to keep an air-tight seal by moving to the low-pressure side of a groove to fill the hole. I’ll continue to believe any expert because they are experts and not crazed conspiracy theorists rambling about vaccines causing autism (They do not), the earth being round (It is not), lizards controlling the world (It would be cool to see an actually intelligent species on this dumb planet), or pharmaceutical companies hiding the cure to cancer (No cure would exist for a disorder that is not a disease).

    Someday intelligence will return to this planet, and on that day a heavy embarrassment will rain down on the world.

    Also, let me get some peer-reviewed papers that (sadly have to) prove the world is round in this modern age.
    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2011JB008916
    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/JB095iB13p21885
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02530709
    Note that they all point to a round shape: the ellipsoid. The ellipsoid is the true form of the earth; it’s still a round shape, but the elliposoid is formed because of the earth’s rotation. If our planet did not rotate, we would all be dead.
    And, for you children at home, you can see the round earth yourself.
    Watch a ship sail off to sea. If you can’t see it anymore, the earth is round.
    Watch a lunar eclipse. If the moon completely gets covered in the earth’s shadow, the earth is round.
    Climb a tree or go up the highest building you can find at night. If you cannot see the bright lights of a city in a very far away nation, the earth is round.
    Fly through different time zones. If you can’t see the ice wall, the earth is round. If day becomes night or night becomes day, the earth is round.
    Watch the sunset over a clear horizon near a hill or an elevated area. As soon as the sun disappears, hurry to the elevated area. If you see the sun again, the earth is round.
    Pick two locations a couple hundred miles from each other on the same meridian, grab two sticks of equal length, two tape measures, and a friend. Both of you take one of each object to the separate locations then measure the shadows. If the shadows are not the same length, the earth is round. This experiment has been around since 240 BCE and was created by the Greek mathematician Eratosthenes. A mathematician – not some homeless guy.

    I have no hope that humanity will ever recover from this wave of stupidity. What’s next? The return of eugenics? God, I hope the world ends soon.

    Auf Wiedersehen, Edward D. Adler

  69. dave says:

    What I always wondered: why does the falt earth believers are convinced the earth is flat, but still go for a spherical sun and moon? I looked around on many sites and discussions but never found any answer to that. If the earth iis not a sphere as generaly is stated, then why would the sun be a sphere and not flat?

  70. patricia green says:

    Question to FEers … where are the photos (your proof) that the earth is flat??! Someone would have surely taken photos of the ICE WALL over all these years!!? Someone would have taken photos of themselves trying to climb the ICE WALL?! NO??!!

  71. patricia green says:

    Parker West … where in the Bible does it say the earth is flat? I have read the entire Bible thru several times & even researched “flat earth” “round earth” “shape of earth” “earth created” and no verse says the earth is flat. Why would God make all other planets round but not the planet earth??

  72. patricia green says:

    Edward Adler … in your sentence [I’ll continue to believe any expert because they are experts and not crazed conspiracy theorists rambling about vaccines causing autism (They do not), the earth being round (It is not),] that last part … you did mean to say “the earth being flat (it is not) .. correct?

    And, to the Bill Nye guy, as far as the earth being a closed system, that does not mean that rockets and satellites and asteroids can’t leave the earth’s closed atmosphere. They can and have of course. It is actually a closed and open system. See: https://course.oeru.org/csf101/learning-pathways/from-the-holocene-to-the-anthropocene/the-earth-is-an-open-and-closed-system/

  73. Logan says:

    If the Earth is flat, then how come I can’t see the moon when it’s night in China and when its a in U.S.A with the Sun out?

  74. David says:

    I was an instrument man on a survey crew plotting oil pipelines for many miles, I know the earth is not a ball, there is only topography, no curvature. But hey we have academia and a criminal gov. telling us we live in a wet spinning ball rocket. Hell its easy to believe you’re spinning because you can’t feel it. As Musk said, its easy to tell its real because it looks so fake. Yeah its easy to tell the earth is spinning because you cant feel it.
    Wake you sleeping idiots.

  75. Ndumiso says:

    Partia Green here’s are scriptures in the bible about a flat earth immovable earth.

    Earth is fixed and immovable: 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 33:9, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Psalm 119:89-90, Isaiah 14:7, Isaiah 45:18, Zechariah 1:11, 2 Peter 3:5
    46:10

    Earth has Pillars, and hangs on nothing: 1 Samuel 2:8, Job 9:6, Job 26:7, Psalm 75:3

    The (1) Firmament/Dome/Vaulted Dome, and expanse created thereby and upon where God’s throne exists: Genesis 1:6-8, Genesis 1:14-18, Genesis 1:20, Genesis 7:11, Genesis 8:2, Job 28:24, Job 37:18, Psalm 19:1, Proverbs 8:28, Isaiah 40:22, Isaiah 42:5, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 45:12, Isaiah 48:13, Ezekiel 1:22-26, Ezekiel 10:1, Amos 9:6, Revelation 4:6, Revelation 6:14

    Earth has 4 Corners and 4 Quarters: Isaiah 11:12, Ezekiel 7:2, Ecclesiastes 1:6, Revelation 7:1, Revelation 20:8

    Sun Moves, not the Earth: Genesis 15:12, Genesis 15:17, Genesis 19:23, Genesis 32:31, Exodus 17:12, Exodus 22:3, Exodus 22:26, Leviticus 22:7, Numbers 2:3, Numbers 21:11, Numbers 34:15, Deuteronomy 4:41, Joshua 1:15, Joshua 8:29, Joshua 10:27, Joshua 12:1, Joshua 13:5, Joshua 19:12, Joshua 19:27, Joshua 19:34, Judges 8:13, Judges 9:33, Judges 14:18, Judges 19:14, Judges 20:43, 2 Samuel 2:24, 2 Samuel 3:35, 2 Samuel 23:4, 1 Kings 22:36, 2 Chronicles 18:34, Psalm 50:1, Psalm 113:3, Ecclesiastes 1:5, Isaiah 41:25, Isaiah 45:6, Isaiah 59:19, Jeremiah 15:9, Daniel 6:14, Amos 8:9, Jonah 4:8, Micah 3:6, Nahum 3:17, Malachi 1:11, Matthew 5:45 , Mark 16:2, Ephesians 4:26, James 1:11

  76. patricia green says:

    Ndumiso
    “the world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.”
    This means that nothing or no one can undo, change or end anything about the earth that God set into motion when He created it.

    “For the foundations of the earth are the Lord’s; on them he has set the world.”
    Foundations are not literal solid forms. The same as the “foundation” of a good family unit, for example, is not footers or pilings. Foundations in this sense are, of course, a metaphor, a figure of speech!

    “And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.”
    A vault, Dome as you say, would indicate a round space, would it not?! So, certainly does not indicate a “Flat” Earth! And up in that sky God created shines the moon going thru it’s phases because of the shadow from the earth making “round” shadows from the round earth.

    If the “four corners of the earth” was literal then it would indicate a SQUARE earth! And, of course, “four corners of the earth” is a figure of speech, not at all literal! And, the earth is definitely not square either! I would think “four corners of the earth” metaphorically refers to North,South,East,West.

    Sunrise and Sunset is also, of course, a figure of speech, and only called these because of the way it looks like the sun sets and rises since we can’t actually “see” the earth moving, unless you watch a sunrise and realize you are watching the earth move under our feet!

    If there were any cover ups about moon landings, satellites not really being up there taking pictures, even full earth pictures; not all are real time photos pieced together; how can people seriously think it would not have come out by now! Everything comes out about everybody eventually now. Even the leaders of the world!

    And, again, why would God make all other planets round except planet earth?!!

    And, I would still like to see pictures of the ice wall FEers believe are “holding all this water in” on your flat earth! Tooooo funny! God is WAY more amazing that to have created a pancake earth floating or speeding up into nowhere!? All just too ridiculous to even fathom the logic from seemingly intelligent people.

    David, whooo are the sleeping IDIOTS really!? Wake up and get into the 21st century. If history hadn’t proven the earth is as round as the sun and moon many, many moons ago, common sense should have told you!

  77. Amit says:

    Curious to know how Lunar eclipse will occur in flat Earth model?

  78. Amit says:

    Who is saying Antarctica is restricted? Tour operator can arrange one day sight seeing tour from Australia.

    http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au

    Air New zealand flight 901 even crashed during sight seeing flight. Do they hit wall?

  79. Jon says:

    The regional rugby competition involving Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Argentina, known as “The Rugby Championships” is about to get underway for 2018. At least it’s a regional competition on a globe. Under a flat earth model, South Africa and Argentina are the two most distant countries from Australia and New Zealand. We’re either having our teams travel some extraordinary distances to keep up a conspiracy, or we live on a globe.

  80. FE debater says:

    Q for the FE. I have seen the map, but I don’t understand the sun-rise, sun-set part as it relates to time zones…

    It would seem that the world would have a singular sunrise and sunset, simultaneously and therefor ONE timezone, but we don’t.

    And the map as I have seen it has the North pole in the center a frozen wall of ice as the southern boundary. But we see the sun move across us as East to West… On a Flat map the half of the world would see the sun move from East to West… but I am seeing that it would move across us in more of a South to North to South manner in relation to the map.

    Perhaps there is someone out there that can help me understand what appear to be discrepancies in the model.

  81. d taylor says:

    The person who wrote this article clearly shows he does not understand the flat earth
    (that is being studied by many but not all as there are various ideas among flat earthers).

    And what the author (and i guess many other science based people) does not understand is the flat earth is not moving through a universe because there is no universe, as science has proposed. The earth is the physical creation with The heavens above (and heaven is not another word for universe) and below is water and the underworld of the earth. The sun, moon and stars are lights that keep time and mark seasons etc..

    The flat earth does not move, and no one knows for sure the shape of the flat earth. The Bible speaks about this some but does not give a clear cut answer on the shape of the flat earth. The lie of science can only go on for so long but eventually the lie will be exposed (whether people believe it or not) and people will know, or at least have a better idea of their home, the flat earth. So science better enjoy their god like position with humanity while they have it, because it will eventually be taken away.

  82. patricia green says:

    To ALL FEers … God gave us “knowledge” and our knowledge has shown us the positive proof of the globe we live on, from the knowledge we have been given from satellites we know have been sent into space that give us a clear view of His round earth. ALL knowledge for ALL inventions and findings (electricity, indoor plumbing, AC, airplanes, automobiles, rockets, telephones, gravity, magnetic field,etc., etc., etc, and everything we enjoy and use) was given to us by God having given people the amazing God-given knowledge to design it and discover it all!

    NOWHERE in the Bible does it say He made a flat earth! NOWHERE!! Although it does say Circle: “Isaiah 40:22 [Full Chapter] He sits enthroned above the Circle of the earth, ”

    The “Flat Earth” idea should have slowly gone away looong ago (one genius expert said) as people realized how ridiculous it was knowing what we know today and starting a couple of thousand years ago!

    You ALL need to read the article above “What would happen if the earth was actually flat” over a few more times and let it sink in! You are obviously missing the problems that thinking the earth is FLAT would create! Seriously! It does NOT take a rocket scientist to see the BIG picture here! You are making yourselves look very ignorant and stupid! (ig·no·rant adjective lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated) (stu·pid adjective .having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.) NO conspiracy could last this long!!

    Y’all can continue to spout out put-downs and insults about the intelligent, knowledgeable, informed people who know the earth is clearly round, but that only makes you sound even less intelligent, more ignorant and stupid!

    I just thank God that the FEers are a very, very, very small percent of the human race! Miniscule really!

    To d taylor, who said there is no universe ;-)) :
    Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command…

    It is SO unbelievable that aaaanyone, much less a few hundred, still believe in such a ridiculous myth as “the earth is FLAT”!! I believe God created us to have better common sense than that even if we only had half a brain!

  83. d taylor says:

    To ALL FEers … God gave us “knowledge” and our knowledge has shown us the positive proof of the globe we live on,

    Paul has a thought on knowledge (science)
    1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith.
    Grace be with you. Amen.

    To d taylor, who said there is no universe ;-)) :
    Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command…

    Read it not in the english translation, but in the actual greek and see that universe is in Strong’s Concordance 165. aión : a space of time, an age
    Short Definition: an age, a cycle of time
    Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

    165 [e] aiōnas αἰῶνας

    Please explain why Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stop moving in Joshua 10 :12-15 and not only did joshua command the sun and moon to stop moving for a day. But God states He listened to that command and granted Joshua’s command.

    14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man;

    Again and again when the Bible speaks of God’s creation There is only Heaven and Earth as stated in Genesis 1:1 that’s, it. that is the creation of God.

    Would you consider a sphere spread out, I do not, spread out is language used with a flat area (table). Isaiah 44:24 or Job 11:9 longer than the earth, would that be used for the measurement of a sphere, No, longer than is again, language used for a flat area.

  84. Amit says:

    As per FE model, objects going beyond horizon are not visible because those are merely belond human eye viewing power and not due to curvature of Earth. But those objects can be seeing through binoculars. Example of ship sailing near horizon is normally given by FEer.

    Can any FEer records and publish video of Sun in which just after sunset Sun can be seen using binoculars?

  85. Cleareye says:

    So many many people believing in a flat earth despite simple tests and reasons why it’s obviously a globe, tests that a child could carry out.

    I’m really shocked.

    * Same limited distance of view with a telescope over the sea, even on the clearest day
    * Ships approaching from far away mast-first
    * Shorter distance between e.g. Buenos Aires and Sydney than is allowed by flat earth
    * Earth hotter at equator
    * Pole star mainly visible in the North, Southern Cross mainly in the South, on a flat earth every major star would be visible everywhere
    * Time zones!
    * Seeing the curvature of the earth clearly at 50,000 feet from a passenger airliner

    Etc etc

    People who believe in a flat earth are very-poorly educated, have little life-experience or are just blind religious fanatics

  86. d taylor says:

    Explain the moon being 230,00 miles out in space. Science says that the moon having a black/dark shadow side 230,000 miles out in space, but as we observe the moon from the earth, the thin atmosphere (about 60+ miles) of the earth changes the black shadow to blue. When the moon is seen during the daytime hours.

    But when asked to created a working model to show that this is true. I have never came across any one who can present that working model. Only excuses, that my request is ridiculous. when in truth, the moon can be seen, to be clearly in front of the blue above and not 230,000 miles behind the blue, out in a made up outer space.

    That is a simply an observed fact and anyone can see that who is looking for the actual truth concerning Gods creation but will be an uneasy realization for many who have made science their savior/god

  87. jeremy brink says:

    I would have to agree with Lynn kempen
    There is so much misinformation in this article are you sure this is not Neil deGrasse now there is the biggest joke I’ve ever seen try to defend NASA Does anybody read or really looking to what is being said on either side I’m pretty highly intelligent and educated I see a lot of one sided ignorance just basically going off beliefs of the scientific community while the other side is presenting pretty consistent facts that pretty much any moron can verify. It’s pretty sad to sit here and watch both sides on this. One side is trying to wake people up the other side just wants to keep their eyes closed and pretty much believe whatever they’re told. I’ve got some Oceanside property in Oklahoma and if anybody would like to buy some

  88. Alan Mathies says:

    I stopped reading about this theory “flat Earth” when asked for a map. With any given map of a flat earth; Travel times (which are documented in time and distance) SHORT PATH on the round model checks true. On the flat model however; there is no short path whether it is an airplane, balloon, or radio wave. Moving from x to y on the outer edges of the flat map would take forever and on the round model, as little as one step.

  89. patricia green says:

    d taylor: “The texts were mainly written in Biblical Hebrew, with some portions (notably in Daniel and Ezra) in Biblical Aramaic. Biblical Hebrew, sometimes called Classical Hebrew, is an archaic form of the Hebrew language.”
    Greek was a translation not the original language of the texts.

    No FEers has yet to produce the pictures of the ridiculous ICE WALL around your flat earth!

    Again, God is WAY too intelligent to create a FLAT earth that could never work for all His miraculous, perfect workings of this globe earth and everything on it, above it and inside it!

    Telling the Sun and moon to stop is another metaphor OF COURSE! God stopped the earth from turning for a day, of course! There are nuuumerous metaphors and parables in the Bible but you must have the common sense to tell what is metaphor or exact meaning!

    There are many, many good Christian creation believing scientist in the world, who science is NOT God to them. To them He is the creator of the whole round earth and all mankind and animals and all life in this universe! https://www.jonathanpark.com/blogs/journal/86987521-modern-day-scientists-who-believe-in-creation
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

    There is nothing more to say to people who choose ignorance over what God has shown us through His miracles.

  90. d taylor says:

    I was not going to reply to your post but you have posted incorrect information. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek.

    So what did God do in Isaiah 38. Did God cause the earth to rotate backwards.

    7 And this is the sign to you from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing which He has spoken: 8 Behold, I will bring the shadow on the sundial, which has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward.” So the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.

    Again the Bible states the sun returned ten degrees.

    Stars are not suns millions/trillions of miles away they are living being who will one day fall to earth like figs falling from a tree.

    Judges 5;20 They fought from the heavens; The stars from their courses fought against Sisera.

    God has named each star. The Messiah has a star which lead the wise men to the birth of the Messiah.
    Matthew 2: 2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”
    2:9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was.

    Paul clearly states that the sun, moon and stars have their own glory and he clearly states that the sun is not grouped in with the stars.
    1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

    The sun is not a star, it is a light as is the moon that is clearly stated in the Bible God created two great light.
    Genesis 1:16 Then God made two great [d]lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

    The Bible destroys the satanic lie of a globe earth, which is the father of the big bang lie, the evolution lie and eventually the alien lie and any other lie created by science to hide God’s true creation.

  91. William Robb says:

    Give it up, the Fe answer to any question about how something that is impossible if the Earth is flat is true is basically magic or conspiracy.

    The answer to why no fe map exists that works is god magics the distance on the real Earth to the distinct on the fake Fe map.

    The answer to why has no fever person tried to prove you can’t cross Antarctica is conspiracy, they claim people are banned from doing that but it’s not true, often they will say it’s a treaty that bans it but the treaty they use only bans countries from claiming ownership of the Antarctic or exploiting it, scientific outposts are all over the Antarctic from multiple countries, any individual is allowed access providing they get rescue insurance and prove they are competent for the challenge, they are not going to let you go to the Antarctic in a bikini but not because it’s a conspiracy it’s because it’s a fucking dangerous environment.

    When asked why Russia and China would pretend America won the race they claim the three countries agreed to America winning despite the three countries absolutely despising each other {edited}.

    When asked why they accept no round Earth photo they claim they are all fakes but then when asked why there is no fe wall photo they claim there’s a secret Navy patrolling the ice wall to stop people discovering it (apparently the secret Navy doesn’t mind people knowing it ‘exists’, I’ve seen one Fe fanatic claiming get was caught trying to get to the Fe wall 2 times and is too scared to try again, why didn’t they simply kill him the first time? You can’t gave a secret Navy if it lets people see them and live), never mind that it would take literally millions of ships to effectively stop a ship trying to get to the icewall and literally billions to try to stop a drone.

    When asked why every country and billions of people would lie for centuries they either say it’s to deny the existence of God because the Bible states the Earth is flat (however some Fe fanatics deny the Bible says that) or it’s somehow magically letting them control people.

    Fe fanatics don’t live in the real world and will never even visit the real world, they much prefer their fantasy to reality, it’s that simple.

    Just wait for them to die out and raise the planet’s average IQ.

  92. patricia green says:

    d taylor: “So what did God do in Isaiah 38. Did God cause the earth to rotate backwards.”
    Yes He did. Exactly!! Not sure who your God is if you don’t know He can do anything and why you think that is impossible for Him!?

    “So the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.”
    Again, NOT literal! A METAPHOR! The sun ON the dial appears to move but, of course, the earth is moving!

    Some of what scientists (like Darwin) tells us is just their junk theories and is ridiculous and has been proven to not be true, plus common sense should prevail. But, a lot of scientists’s work has created all that we know and enjoy on our fantastic round earth, and the knowledge of how amazing and beautiful His great creation of earth and all it’s living beings and the beauty of the outer universe and heavens is! God created the scientists too! He gave them genius minds to unleash all the wonder we know today. With their discoveries He gave them we know how intricate every living thing is, which proves we were made by someone MUCH greater than any big bang or any other event could ever create. It is more stupidity to group ALL science as false!

    Everyone who reads the Bible knows exactly what it says! MOST of us are intelligent enough to discern what is literal and what is not! I think what is Satanic is closed eyes to seeing the truths the Lord has shown us for a couple of thousand years and more!

    God bless!

  93. Charles E Rent Jr says:

    Then give me one example of the alleged curve, which, per your model’s dimensions, drops 8″ per every mile squared (8″ in 1st mile, 32″ at 2nd mile, 72″ at 3 miles.)

    It doesn’t work that way …

  94. Stu says:

    Ive thought .read .researched both sides of this. Flat earth is a fallacy it came from myths and legends that people have expanded apon. Take the silly no gravity for instance . Just because we dont know how it something works doesnt mean its false. We know its there and we know its causality. Doesnt mean its fake. I had this same arguement with my brother last night . he tried to spin a a wet tennis ball that was attached to a stick to prove to me the water will come off and it wont generate its own gravity. I was like of course it wont. Firstly were already in our own earths gravitational field and would need to go to deep space for this hypothesis to even stand a remote chance not only that but you wpuld need minerals and an atmosphere and mass plays a big role so i told him to find i giant ball of different rocks and minerals that give off its own magnetic field then go into deep space to prove this . Now back to flat earth not being flat. Ive seen four maps that are supposed to be true. Funny i know. And on each of them the americas and europe are opposite so it would be impossible to travel across the pacific on the western americas to europe but people do it all the time in oceanic navigation challenges. Not to mention documentaries and fishing vessels .

  95. Richard Paulson says:

    Please delete my previous comment, not worth reading.

    I just realized my math was way off and I need a lot of sleep. That flat earther’s can mess with your mind, and make people panic about what is real and not real. They go way too far without the true facts, yet may make some good points about the lies we are told about the heavens. Flat earther’s just substitute one lie for another. The earth is not much bigger than we’ve been told, and it is not flat either. It is just that the heliocentric view is a lie. The lies are so confusing or wicked that people might end up believing anything if they just accept what they are told. Basic observation will show however that the earth is fixed and that the heavenly bodies rotate around the earth and that the earth is not flat.

  96. d taylor says:

    In the Bible zero references to a globe earth that is rotating in an unending universe with other planets, galaxies, star as other suns with planets revolving around the starsuns.

    But as for the creation of heaven (1st 2nd and 3rd) and a earth that is flat with corners/ends and that does not move (stationary) with the sun, moon and stars as created lights placed in the raqia (firmament) to give light on the earth. In between to bodies of water one body of water above the raqia and another below (the oceans). That move over the earth in a circuit. There over 80 verses in some way that speak to this description.

  97. patricia green says:

    How come there’s no article on “What would happen of the earth was round?”

  98. d taylor says:

    Because the world is filled with people like you, who easily take the word of men over the word of God.
    This person is not a flat earth believer, but at least he does question some of sciences lies.
    http://www.gsjournal.net/old/science/guerami.pdf

    Also Gerrard Hickson Kings Dethroned
    https://www.amazon.com/Kings-Dethroned-History-Evolution-Astronomy/dp/1407691384

  99. patricia green says:

    I’m not sure who got on my computer and posted that last comment (my daughter maybe?) about why is there not an article about “What would happen if the earth was round” but it really doesn’t matter. It IS round as we can clearly see from WAY off in space as REAL satellites REAL cameras show.

    d taylor .. what language the New Testament was written has nothing to do with when God created the earth. That is in the Old Testament. Just moooore confusion in the minds of FE’ers!! And there are NO literal verses saying He made a FLAT earth! Period. You can spin it however you want to but it is NOT there!

    ALLLLL tooooo much silliness to keep trying to convince close minded people with ZERO proof (pictures, videos, anything?) of a ridiculous FLAT earth zooming up into nowhere constantly! CRAAAAZINESS! After 8 thousand years or so SOMEWHERE someone would have a picture! Someone would have gone to your imaginary edge or “corners”!! We definitely have the advanced equipment to be able to do any of this now and have for years and years! Actually worse than “silliness”! It’s plain stupid! There’s SO much proof of our globe and everything around it that it is ignorant to ignore and dismniss all of it! And the conspiracy and all lies theory is idiotic! ALL craaaaaziness and lunacy!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/11/24/five-impossible-facts-that-would-have-to-be-true-if-the-earth-were-flat/#490ebecb7c4f

    Isaiah 40:22 [Full Chapter]
    It is he that sitteth above the circle of the earth,

    Proverbs 8:27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep

  100. patricia green says:

    the Forbes article is only to point out sensible combined “facts” that wouldn’t work on a flat earth. I do not agree with all of Ehan Seigel’s philosophies and theories.

  101. d taylor says:

    When did photos and video become fact. Any person should understand a photo/video can easily be faked, altered.

    Not only does the Bible never mention a ball earth, science can not produce any factual evidence the earth is a sphere rotating through an outer space. Even their faking of the trip to the moon, was so bad it is obvious to any one does not just take every word out of NASA etc.. as a true statement.

    Why are there no photos of a complete flat earth because no one can go high enough, no one can go past the top of the raqia, which is holding back the waters above. only God views the complete earth He created

    As for Isaiah, if God sits above a ball earth why did Isaiah use chug (circle, circuit, compass, vault) and not use dur (ball, encircling, pile) Isaiah 22:18

  102. d taylor says:

    – ridiculous FLAT earth zooming up into nowhere constantly –

    That one statement clearly shows you do not understand God’s created flat earth, that is described throughout the Bible

  103. michael says:

    The only reason and i really do mean the only reason that anyone believes the earth is round, is because we are told and taught and trained to think it is, by those demonic entities disguised as human beings…

    our kings, queens, popes, presidents and dictators past and present, the royal bloodline elite, who continuously lie to us and and slaughter us within their horrifying wars and insidious genocides, for they are evil and diabolical…

    and by the way, anyone standing anywhere trapped upon this earths surface, which is ninety nine point nine nine percent of people, cannot prove beyond all shadows of any doubt that the earth is round, for it is flat…

    a slightly curved convex disc, suspended beneath a heat lamp sun and night light moon, a terrarium, a zoo, for you and i and our souls are totally screwed…

    taken by force, as we are born to wither and die by greed driven denial, beneath a magnificent deception of revolving holographic stars…

  104. mike says:

    Lets face it, without denial, the earth could really be flat…

    The only reason anyone believes the earth is round, is because we are constantly taught to think it is and constantly trained to believe it is and constantly told to accept it is as truth…

    Lets face it, without denial, the earth might actually be flat…

    Continuous delusion inducing bombardments of brainwashing illusions and mindbending manipulations by the evil powers that be and their strictly and currently enforced belief structures…

    Lets face it, without denial, the earth is flat…

    Which are mostly insidious lies and always have been, diabolically designed to keep the greed driven sheeple as far away from the horrible truth as possible…

    Lets face it, without denial, a slightly curved convex disc…

    For we are trapped beneath a heat lamp sun and nite lite moon, below a revolving shroud of holographic stars…

    Magnificent deceptions…

    With no way for us to get away and nowhere else for us to go…

  105. Ananth Rao says:

    All Photos of NASA are created by Photoshop & published as Computer Generated Images ( CGI) as admitted by NASA. Photography & Print Shops existed before CGI and modified as NASA instructs the photos to exist.

    NASA is part of the Government and thus , any employees, contractors, sub-contractors, etc … must sign a 50 yr agreement NOT TO DISCUSS/REVEAL anything.

    As others stated, NASA can send a space vehicle to outer space ( 2000 miles or further away ), take a LIVE picture of space, planets including planet EARTH. The images can be made public and shared with everyone. This will establish planet earth is FLAT or GLOBE !!!!

    However – they WON’T !!!!!

    Lets us work together, be friends without internal fighting. NASA and all governmental agencies must be held accountable and not mis-lead its citizens.

  106. Jon says:

    Ananth Rao, forget NASA for a moment – SpaceX sent up a Falcon Heavy earlier THIS YEAR. And it showed LIVE images of the WHOLE earth – EXACTLY what FEers had been asking for.

    Guess what? ‘Taint flat!

    Checkmate.

  107. d taylor says:

    Space-X what a joke, You might as well, said star wars has shown images of earth. If the images were live, where is the rotation of the earth, it was mighty still in those live images.

  108. Martin says:

    The Nile flows for 4.5k miles north,the Amazon 4000 miles long flows east ,the Mississippi flows 4k miles south around the 24k curved circumference of the ball earth ,take into the ball model 8 inches /mile squared then we have a problem Heuston ,also the last 1000 km of Nile meanders at a drop of less than 20 meters ,Wake up Nasa show us the real videos ye get $50,00000 a day ,show us the earth in full colour with the planes flying upside down ,and gravity which is the weakest of 4 forces cant hold onto a Helium Balloon .Buoyancy exlains what the theory of gravity cant ,and underline theory of big bang

  109. mike says:

    Think about it…

    We evolved, for who knows how long, beneath and within the suns light and because its so intensely and blindingly bright, we cant even look at it for even a few seconds without suffering extreme and permanent eye damage…

    Unfortunately, for you and i, among other disturbing reasons, thats because…

    The sun and moon are a heluva lost closer and a huluva lot smaller that we are insidiously misled to think and believe…

    Has anyone ever seen the moon pass in front of and within the clouds? i have!

  110. mike says:

    Like them or not, believe them or not, my hard to face comments are faith shattering soul crushing revelations, designed to expose the brutal truth, without delusional denial…

  111. Antidote says:

    Please just go to any harbour and watch the boats sail over the horizon. And then book yourself on to an around the world flight. Flat earthers you say we can’t accept evidence from you. But you can’t accept prove that you can see with your own eyes

  112. Richard says:

    Martin

    What point are you trying to make with the rivers? Why do we have a problem? please explain.

    Planes flying upside down, the only reason you say that is because we always have the south on the bottom of a globe. Our concept of up and down is relative to the pull of gravity, from space that concept becomes meaningless. Also even assuming NASA had cameras with high enough resolution why would they waste money showing planes flying in the southern hemisphere.

    What exactly does buoyancy explain that gravity cant. You obviously do not understand how buoyancy works, it depends on gravity. No gravity no buoyancy. I am not going to do your homework for you (perhaps you should have done it when you were at school) go and google buoyancy and start learning something instead of making idiot comments.

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