What Would Happen if the Earth Were Actually Flat?

by |January 24, 2018
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If Earth were flat, you’d know it, because a lot of things would work differently. Photo: Pexels

By Doug Main

Welcome to the new year, 2018. The Earth has yet again made a revolution about the sun. But not so fast. If you subscribe to the idea of a flat Earth, then you’d believe that no such thing happened, because the sun rotates in a circle around the sky.

Humans have known for thousands of years that the planet is round, yet the belief in a flat Earth refuses to die. Members of the Flat Earth Society and several celebrities, including Atlanta rapper B.o.B and NBA player Kyrie Irving, claim to hold such beliefs. Let’s examine, then, how the well-known principles of physics and science would work (or not) on a flat Earth.

Gravity Fails

First of all, a pancaked planet might not have any gravity. It’s unclear how gravity would work, or be created, in such a world, says James Davis, a geophysicist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. That’s a pretty big deal, since gravity explains a wide range of Earthly and cosmic observations. The same measurable force that causes an apple to fall from a tree also causes the moon to orbit the Earth and all the planets to orbit the sun.

People who believe in a flat Earth assume that gravity would pull straight down, but there’s no evidence to suggest it would work that way. What we know about gravity suggests it would pull toward the center of the disk. That means it would only pull straight down at one point on the center of the disk. As you got increasingly far from the center, gravity would tug more and more horizontally. This would have some strange impacts, like sucking all the water toward the center of the world, and making trees and plants grow diagonally, since they develop in the opposite direction of gravity’s pull.

Solar Problems

Then there’s the sun. In the scientifically supported model of the solar system, the Earth revolves around the sun because the latter is much more massive and has more gravity. However, the Earth doesn’t fall into the sun because it is traveling in an orbit. In other words, the sun’s gravity isn’t acting alone. The planet is also traveling in a direction perpendicular to the star’s gravitational tug; if it were possible to switch off that gravity, the Earth would shoot away in a straight line and hightail it out of the solar system. Instead, the linear momentum and the sun’s gravity combine, resulting in a circular orbit around the sun.

The flat Earth model places our planet at the center of the universe, but doesn’t suggest that the sun orbits the Earth. Rather, the sun circles over the top side of the world like a carousel, broadcasting light and warmth downward like a desk lamp. Without the linear, perpendicular momentum that helps generate an orbit, it’s unclear what force would keep the sun and moon hovering above the Earth, Davis says, instead of crashing into it.

Likewise, in a flat world, satellites likely wouldn’t be possible. How would they orbit a plane? “There are a number of satellite missions that society depends on that just wouldn’t work,” Davis says. For this reason, he says, “I cannot think of how GPS would work on a flat Earth.”

If the sun and moon just loop around one side of a flat Earth, there could presumably be a procession of days and nights. But it wouldn’t explain seasons, eclipses and many other phenomena. The sun would also presumably have to be smaller than Earth so as to not burn up or bump into our planet or the moon. However, we know the sun to be more than 100 times the diameter of the Earth.

Removing Heaven and Earth

Deep below ground, the solid core of the Earth generates the planet’s magnetic field. But in a flat planet, that would have to be replaced by something else. Perhaps a flat sheet of liquid metal. That, however, wouldn’t rotate in a way that creates a magnetic field. Without a magnetic field, charged particles from the sun would fry the planet. They could strip away the atmosphere, as they did after Mars lost its magnetic field, and the air and oceans would escape into space.

Tectonic plate movement and seismicity depend on a round Earth, because only on a sphere do all the plates fit together in a sensible way, Davis says. Movements of plates on one side of the Earth effect movements on the other. The areas of the Earth that create crust, like the mid-Atlantic ridge, are counterbalanced by places that consume crust, like subduction zones. On a flat Earth, none of this could be adequately explained. There’d also have to be an explanation for what happens to plates at the edge of the world. One could imagine they might fall off, but that would presumably jeopardize the proposed wall that prevents people from falling off the disk-shaped world.

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How some Flat Earthers map out the planet. The Arctic is at the center, and an “ice wall” around the edges supposedly prevents people from falling off. Image: Wiki Commons

Perhaps one of the most glaring oddities is that the proposed map of the flat Earth is totally different. It places the Arctic at the center while Antarctica forms an “ice wall” around the edges. In such a world, travel would look very different. Flying from Australia to certain parts of Antarctica would, for example, take forever—you’d have to travel over the Arctic and both Americas to get there. In addition, certain real-world feats, such as traveling across Antarctica (which has been done many times), would be impossible.

Falling Flat

Contrary to popular belief, it’s a misconception that many societies of serious, educated people ever actually believed in the flat Earth theory. “With extraordinary few exceptions, no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat,” historian Jeffrey Burton Russell noted in 1997. “A round Earth appears at least as early as the sixth century B.C. with Pythagoras, who was followed by Aristotle, Euclid, and Aristarchus, among others in observing that the earth was a sphere.”

As the scientist and writer Stephen Jay Gould once wrote, the idea that many people—including the Spaniards and Christopher Columbus—believed the Earth to be flat was largely concocted by 19th century writers such as Washington Irving, Jean Letronne and others. Letronne was “an academic of strong anti-religious prejudices… who cleverly drew upon both to misrepresent the church fathers and their medieval successors as believing in a flat earth,” Russell noted.

In any case, while it’s fun to imagine counterfactual scenarios, science proceeds by coming up with theories to explain observations. When it comes to these theories, the simpler, the better, Davis says. The flat Earth idea, however, clearly begins with the idea that the planet is planar, and then attempts to twist other observations to its benefit. You can find odd explanations for individual phenomena under this framework, says Davis, but “it falls apart pretty quickly.”

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Lynn Kempen
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It is painfully obvious you have not investigated the Flat Earth theory. Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. Please explain why we no longer have the technology to send a man through the Van Allen belt. Then give me one example of the alleged curve, which, per your model’s dimensions, drops 8″ per every mile squared (8″ in 1st mile, 32″ at 2nd mile, 72″ at 3 miles.) This is should be readily documentable on any large body of water. Yet, there is not one physical example found… Read more »

Sarah Fecht
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Hi Lynn,

We don’t have the technology to send humans through the Van Allen belt because the U.S. stopped making rockets that are meant for human spaceflight, period. NASA and SpaceX are currently working on fixing that with the SLS and Falcon Heavy.

Further reading: https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

Greg
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Greg

It is painfully obvious Lynn Kempen, you have not investigated the facts of reality, and have no intention of ever doing so. If I stand on top of Mount Vinson, the highest mountain in Antartica (at just under 5000 metres) on a clear night, I can look through my telescope and see billions of kilometres into space. If I am standing on top of Mount Vinson, and look at the horizon through that same telescope!. That is Something Flat Earth believers seem unable to comprehend by the way, if the Earth was flat, there would be no horizon, if the… Read more »

Nick
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Nick

Greg you have made tow points here and I like to tell you why you are wrong, have you ever steped foot on mount Vinson? No is your answer but you were told so,. Other question is, you state your telescope can see billions of killometer yet your not sure of authenticity of this claim as if otherwise we will see the moon on great detail, so you need to go back to your sences and they will tell you much more than what you’ve been led to believe,!

Aaron Bunney
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Aaron Bunney

The earth is 100% round. Get some Playdough for example, and your hands represent gravity. When u grab the Playdough and squeeze it into a ball and apply pressure what happens? It stays in a circular shape. But if the earth was flat and gravity was still a thing, well now the hydraulic press represents gravity and will keep squashing the earth flatter and flatter and make it longer and longer until it becomes nothing. Prove me wrong on that!

[This comment has been edited for civility]

Jackson Star
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Jackson Star

It’s somewhat gratifying that you have spelled the word “senses” wrong. On the other hand, many scientific experiments that you can do with household materials prove that human senses are inaccurate at best.

BristolMagpie
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BristolMagpie

Replace Mt.Vinson with any mountain, you’ll get similar results.
It’s irrelevant whether or not Greg has actually been there, he chose it because there wouldn’t be any light pollution in Antarctica!

Brian
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Brian

You know what, if you could spell basic words, I may have entertained the idea that maybe you are onto something but no, you cant. Here’s how you solve your little flat Earth problem with a simple test that anybody with a cell phone and a stick can do. All you do is plant a stick in the ground in one location, have a friend 1000 miles away or more plant a stick in the ground standing up the same way. Wait until exactly 12 p.m. when the sun is directly overhead, and call your friend. Your stick will not… Read more »

Jeff
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Jeff

You’ve never been to Antartica. Point Invalid

Luciana
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Luciana

You’ve never seen a huge wall in Antarctica. Point invalid.

Noah
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Noah

how can you have a “horizon” on a globe.
how can sea “level” be calculated on a globe.

Jotham
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Jotham

I’m laughing, Greg- that you (and Aaron) and some others here) miss the most elementary of flat earth explanations of the atmosphere preventing seeing past a certain distance (depending on those particular conditions) on a given day, Some days are tens of miles better than others to see no matter WHAT the shape of the world. Be honest, you “know what you know”, not because you’ve looked into it, only because of what you’ve already been taught. Just like the rest of us once were. We all started where you are, Greg. We didn’t just wake up one day thinking… Read more »

Marco Kelly
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Marco Kelly

Does the dome over the earth not then exist behind the sun and moon?
Does the dome of the earth not then exist along the edges of the earth?
If the atmosphere is preventing me from seeing the sun during the night even though it would be in the line of vision, why then can I see the stars on the dome behind it?

Greg
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Greg

You’re assuming that the stars are billions of miles away. Our eyes cannot see out that far so to perspective. It’s why you can see an airplane up close, but when it’s thousands of feet up in the air it looks tiny and even high altitude planes blink out of existence altogether. We’re able to see the stars because they’re not really giant balls of gas billions of miles away. They’re in the firmament thousands of miles away. As for gravity, there’s no need for it. The Earth is flat what goes up must come down, with the exception of… Read more »

Dean
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Dean

STOP shredding the BIBLE! You misinterpret the Scriptures to create a false doctrine that is used to support false science. Nowhere does the Bible say the Earth is flat and definitely is not a globe. You do the same thing every cult does: create a false scenario by divorcing the Scriptures from what they really mean.

Dylan C
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Dylan C

I would really like to know how you explain one thing. you can twist any fact to “kinda” sound like it’s proving the opposite. So how can you explain airplains being able to fly from places like Hawaii to Australia? Or around the world period? No pilot has literally ever said “for some reason it should take 3 hours but it took 14 and for some reason ice was on one side the whole time” ????

SupremeArchitect
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SupremeArchitect

I’ll believe the earth is flat when you can prove that we are not living in a simulation. Both topics are ridiculous and truly are not worth the time or brain power investigating or even contemplating. If you flatheads would just put the time and energy that you spend disputing that “the earth is flat” into doing something conducive to society, this world could be a better place….. just saying.

Carina Gous
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Carina Gous

I agree …the writer has not done enough research and it’s clear that his intention is to prove the globe. Check the flight routes on the flat earth and see the logic. If you Google Chakras on the Flat earth you get a beautiful geometry. Recently NASA revealed their ney space flag….with that exact geometry. The UN flag has the flat earth map as well as some buildings on the floor tiles. It’s hidden in plainsight. It takes many hours of searching and putting the puzle together.

Jordan
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Jordan

If a theory begins with ‘It’s a conspiracy’ you can probably guess there isn’t going to be much in the way of scientific data. According to the Flat Earth community astronauts who have seen the planet from space are actors and all the photos of our blue marble are fake.
Thank you for posting this article. Great information!

Paup
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Paup

The blue marble is fake since when does a globe have a box around it? Turn the contrast up in Photoshop it is copy and pasted

Jeff
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Jeff

1st the earth is not a globe…It is a bumpy spheroid.
2nd. If you think scientist and educators (many, many of whom are in fact religious) are lying to you to disprove God or anything else for that matter, you are 50 shades of illogical.

There is no box around the earth…Messing around with photoshop can produce some pretty strange things with any image…It is not a forensic tool.

Jeff
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Jeff

How many Astronauts have you spoken too? None. And show me a real photo that is not digitally altered. Right, You can’t find one can you? Because you believe what anyone tells you. People who wholeheartedly believe in a round Earth just regurgitate what the greek pagans have said and have no actual proof. How do you believe in man made science but not the Bible? How do you believe in Aristotle but not King James? It’s ALL theory until you have PROOF and not what just the Greeks say. If a black original man from ancient Africa said it,… Read more »

BristolMagpie
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BristolMagpie

‘Theory’, in science, is not a hunch, guess, ad hoc explanation, or a hypothesis.
Everything you have said, you haven’t and CAN’T support with any testable evidence.
You repeatedly utilize fallacious reasoning, misrepresentation and equivocation in your comments. They are indicative of your lack of scientific knowledge and your unwillingness to learn any.

Please supply a comprehensive list of viable refutations of the article’s points or go to a library.

Wil
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Wil

A simple experiment that any true fat Earther can try. set a laser at 3 meters above the ground, drive in a strait line in any direction along a flat plane in any direction you like for 13 Km. place a segmented graph that is 3 meters tall and see if that laser still shines at the 3 meter mark.

Xheesie
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Xheesie

Ummm.. Lynn…? We have live feed video of Earth from the International Space Station, which is NO HOAX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_GlAOCHyE There are many photographs of Earth taken from space…. the photos show beyond any shadow of a doubt that our home planet is R-O-U-N-D, as in “spherical,” actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mve7hRaoH8U. And NONE of these facts is an affront or “assault” on God, who made it all and He made it ROUND. Goodness. Why not join the 21st Century? You’re seriously behind the times.

Teresa
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Teresa

Perfect response. The Catholic Church tried to arrest Galileo for showing the “learned men” of the 17th century that the Earth is round and then had to renounce what they were wrong centuries, later after his death. The Catholic church only wanted the common people to believe the Earth was the center of the universe because, as the human race, the universe shoulde revolve around US the children of God….egotistical, uneducated b.s. that in itself was the original flat earth conspiracy. God created the world and therefore created the science and fragile ecosystem we all live in. If people are… Read more »

Michael Smith
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Michael Smith

The Catholic Church never doubted the world was round and any basic study of history will tell you so. The debate, and the part you are correct about, was whether the Earth was the center of the Universe or not. In Catholic teaching it was, with all the celestial objects rotating around the Earth, including the Sun. Galileo proposed the Sun was the center. No one in the Catholic church thought the Earth was flat or taught that.

eyeswideopen
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eyeswideopen

I looked to find PHOTOS from space, and found that ALL are composites, CGI and images… NASA even shares that info in it’s archives when you look into detail on each image presented. Nasa employs the best graphic artists in the world, and also has the largest working movie studio…
NASA like most military operations, is built on lies and deceptions!
Just because people are easily deceived and indoctrinated into believing in space, and space travel does not make it real!

Beau S.
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Beau S.

I’m not disproving the geocentric or the heliocentric theory, I am merely pointing out several flaws in your understanding of either. First NASA does not and cannot fly above “low Earth” orbit. This is by their own admission. They cannot pass through the Van Allen belts, also by their own admission. Every “blue marble” picture of Earth IS a composite, they are Photoshoped images, once again, by their own admission. Why? Because they CANNOT fly above “low Earth” orbit. Bill Bye said very plainly, “The Earth is a ” closed system “, we cannot leave the Earth. There is nowhere… Read more »

Tee
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Tee

Your not doing ANY scientific reasearch. The science of a round Earth has been studied by the most educated and scientificly researched scientists since Ancient Greece, the Ancient Sumarians, by people like Aristotle, Galileo, and Isaac Newton. Are you saying that you are more informed and educated than THOSE men?… Have you spent your whole life studying physics, magnetic feilds, philosophy, and astronomy? I doubt it. Telling people to look through a telescope out into an ocean proves you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and have absolutely no scientific evidence backing your theories.

Greg
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Greg

Oh my god!

By the way, poor some water into a clear glass, look at it from side on…. Then tell me water cannot bend.

Mike Shellenberger
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Mike Shellenberger

Wrong we have been to moon 12 times Earth is round and space station is 240miles up in vacuum of space and live video um why r they floating around the oh yeah zero gravity and we will go back to moon and then Mars I can prove it lets get on plane and go to imaginary ice wall and u will see no wall or call a rich billionaire and we go to space this would shut u alll up still u flatheads can’t prove its flat and u will never change it in to fact and erase history

robert
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Im not arguing for or against flat earth im just saying that they are not floating because of zero gravity. There is still gravity and the reason they appear to be floating in the space station is because both the astronaut and the space station are both falling back to earth at the same rate of speed. the reason they dont just crash back into earth is because of sideways motion i believe which makes them always miss the earth which is called being in orbit, i think i have that correct.

BristolMagpie
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BristolMagpie

Weight is mass × gravitational acceleration.
Buoyancy is an upward force.
Density is not a force.

le
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le

Dear Lynn we do have the tech to send human through the van allen belts and it will be proven again when space tourism happens in the next decade, I personally dont think they had the capability to go through belts in the 60’s., but that another story… also google lake pontchartrain transmission lines, USA, that is one example and fact of the alleged curve, ok so you say that they have been done on photoshop, then youtube it, plenty of people video recording it on there

Lewis
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Lewis

I’m pretty sure if Earth was flat people would fly planes over the edge to prove it, or show the edge with pictures.

Olivia
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Olivia

True!

Brooklyn
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Brooklyn

There is no edge its all ice there Antarctic

Tim
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Tim

The bible has 240 verses about the flat earth from Genesis through Revelation. You can find the website about flat earth. Read Job 37:18. That is impossible NASA, they cannot pass the molten glass.

Mike Shellenberger
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Mike Shellenberger

Bible does not have anything saying Earth is flat u must be high

Guy
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Guy

responding to Lewis’ comment…………i dont know anybody with a plane with that kind of range, maybe the U.S. government……i heat they are very forthcoming

responding to Lewis’comment………..I dont know anybody with a plane with that kind of range. The U.S. government perhaps, maybe they shoulda checked that out on their trip back from the moon………

Tee
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Tee

ANYONE can fly a plane AROUND the world. The first one to do it was Wiley Post and the first woman was Geraldine Mock. And guess where they ended up? Ill give you a clue….NOT at the edge of some ice wall.

Mike Rapp
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Mike Rapp

“Every “blue marble” picture of Earth IS a composite, they are Photoshoped images, once again, by their own admission.” This is a wholly false statement. All photos of earth are not composites. At no point has NASA ever said all photos from space are composites. Furthermore, to create a composite you need a series of actual photographs. Therefore composites are, by definition, actual photos. NASA uses composites because the only other way of capturing a full view of earth would require an extreme wide angle lens, which would distort the photo. You can use Photoshop to un-warp a wide angle… Read more »

Edd Scroggins
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Edd Scroggins

Mike Rapp,
You are correct lol as you already know but there IS a couple of unphoto shopped beautiful photographes Astronauts took from the surface of the moon I’ve seen them at least one of them and that was the only way the entire Earth could be photographed as a whole.. look up astronauts Earth pics. from the moon at least one of them shows the entire beautiful Earth in all it’s glory, I’m sorry i didn’t bring the site of the pics. with me but it is very easy to find.

adam
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adam

photoshoped… lol… I seen ROUND earth pictures in 70’s and that was WAY before photoshop existed… even computers to “edit” pics weren’t around til 80’s…. there’s pics of earth by NASA in 1947… how were those edited? by UFOs?

Blake Grimes
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Blake Grimes

Composite photographs DO NOT require actual photographs. You think criminal composite sketches are drawn based off a Polaroid picture or something? Wrong. If they had an actual, real photograph then composite CGIs would be irrelevant. It’s like watching the JFK assassination with animated people instead of the actual film. Technology is based on the actual event or a computerized animation of the actual event. Which is more realistic and true? You can’t just say inaccurate data like that. Actually think about this with your own thoughts. Question everything you’re told. Satan is the God of this world for now and… Read more »

Marco Kelly
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Marco Kelly

Right. You don’t believe NASA, cause you think it’s all about money, but you believe in the bible which is absolutely all about money and power.
Makes sense!
Do you understand the proper definition of the word composite?

Mike Rapp
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Mike Rapp

“Bill Bye said very plainly, “The Earth is a ” closed system “, we cannot leave the Earth. There is nowhere for us to go.” Bill Bye, whomever he is, is an idiot. Just because he said this doesn’t make it true. “Second. In the flat Earth or geocentric model, there is no gravity, at least not in the sense scientists explain gravity.0 You have a completely unproven “model” which is not based in trial and error. Calling this concept a model makes it sound credible, which it is not by any reasonable standard of trial and error, ie the… Read more »

ddd
Guest

the earth is flat, okay?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

if earth was flat, were is the edge of it. Explain that.

Tommy
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Tommy

Look listen & learn we can’t leave earth of radiation from the sun , as simple as that ! Further you go away from earth more radiation . The only reason your alive is because earths magnitic shield , witch enturn. Shield us . where here to stay. Just be happy and try to get along & try to save earth get it !

Robert Magee
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Robert Magee

Just ask people who navigate the planet by sea or air. They have to know precise distances from point to point. In the flat earth map, the distances are hugely stretched as move out from the center.
Here are some actual distances that could only fit on a spherical globe:
9675 km Distance from Johannesburg to Oslo, Norway
11,034 km Distance from Johannesburg to Sydney
2,155 km Distance from Auckland to Sydney
2384 km Distance from Portland, OR to Kansas City

RBarr
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RBarr

As someone above has already stated, water does bend – unless Niagara Falls, Angel Falls, Bridal Veil Falls, and other notable waterfalls and rapids are (1) Photoshopped or (2) optical elusions. Water bends when you pour it from a glass or use a hose. It bends at every joint and fixture in your plumbing. In fact, it is impossible in nature to see liquid water that’s NOT bending. It takes the shape of whatever contains it. Even the (smooth) water in lakes bends from the force of the wind lightly ruffling it. (I would also include ocean surf and the… Read more »

Edd scroggins
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Edd scroggins

Well said RBARR WELL SAID

Chuck
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Chuck

What your missing is research. Your not being fair to yourself or your family if you can’t openly except the fact that the flat earth people have a legit argument. If you research the bible, the book of enock, mechanical gyroscopes, 8 inches curve per mile squared and use your common sense without influence from what you were told when you were 6 years old. Nobody understands gravity but we try to study it. Why can’t it just be based on density of an object. Heavy objects are more dense. A bowling ball is more dense/heavier than an air fill… Read more »

Edd Scroggins
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Edd Scroggins

Sorry Chuck that won’t work we who believe in real science’s have come to these conclusions by a lifetime of corroborating evidence consistency and from many different sources i could debate them for the rest of my life to you and all the other flat earthers but i don’t think it would help you in the least you believe in a movement where as i believe in fact you seem to think that by asking numerous questions without one shred of proof for why you believe what you believe makes you sound like you know something we don’t and that… Read more »

R Vann
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R Vann

Says research the Bible, then says just because you read it in a science textbook doesnt mean it is true…do I really have to explain this comment?

adam
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adam

just because you make up something doesnt mean its real… wow… “vanishing point” would that be because it curves down???
take 4 poles same height) and place them in a row 2 miles and look through a telescope from one end so you can see them all, IF earth was flat then all the poles should line up at the same height.. but why arent they????????????

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Ogimaa
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Ogimaa

Hills, valleys and mountains.

Jason
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Jason

Better yet, go experience an actual “vanishing point”; go to the top of a high skyscraper with nearby skyscrapers, preferably in a city on the coast so you can see the ocean or sea. Take a photo towards the horizon, keeping an adjacent skyscraper in the frame. On the photo, draw straight lines along the level floors/windows/etc of the adjacent skyscraper until they converge …. above the horizon line. Just one of myriad easy experiments to prove non-flatness.

Doc
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Doc

That’s called framing…taking a tennis ball..(its the earth) now hold your other hand(s) finger tip (plane) over the ball at any distance you want…rotate the ball…does the tip need to account for the curvature or does it still stay in its frame 🙂

Mads Lack
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Mads Lack

@Chuck

The bible is not a scientific research tool. At best it is a collection of stories to give people help to live a good life and hope at the end.

Then you go into a “GishGallop” of blurting out so many things that you think proves your version of reality.

It’s all so uneccesary. My message is simple, and I will keep repeating it until it’s made.

Show me a flat earth model that shows days and nights, sunrises and sunsets; and the seasons of the year.

All the proof you would need in one go… can you do it?

Cool
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Cool

Um, there is really one on the Flat Earth Society website

Phil
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Phil

Well said. Is amusing watching something being debated which is not actually debatable (like Brexit is- what is better for a country’s future, for example); nothing is more certain in life that it is round. Maybe I should admit now that I’m part of the conspiracy! Yes I’ll admit it, all governments are lying to the flat earthers about all this and science is all made up….NOT! Jesus. It is all very childish. What I really want to know though, is, in the decades and centuries to come, what will the flat earthers say when they are taken into space… Read more »

LC
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LC

In a “flat earth model”, can someone explain why the celestial sky rotates clock-wise in the Southern Hemisphere and then it rotates counter-clockwise in the Northern hemisphere? This seems to only fit with the earth being a globe.

Ron Cab
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Ron Cab

@LC. Movement of celestial bodies as you mentioned is clockwise in the southern hemisphere and counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere can be logically explainable by a globe earth. And I agree. But it can also be explained with a flat earth with a dome atmosphere that serves as a giant dome lens through which we see the stars. You might be surprised that it would give similar visuals. (And also how we see the sun the way we see it moves across the sky and how it partially lightens a flat earth). Kindly check it out if you are interested… Read more »

Mads Lack
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Mads Lack

@Ron Cab A Flat Earth Model needs to show more than stars projected on a sphere high above. For proof the Flat Earth Theory is real it has to show in a SINGLE model: 1. Day and Night 2. Sunrises and sunsets 3. The seasons of the year. This is not possible, therefore FE is impossible. Don’t get sucked in. If everyone who answered a Flattard did it only by asking for this model and not debating further until they did, the wind goes out of their sails as they cannot do it. No more arguments! No more flattards sitting… Read more »

Donald
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Donald

Flat earthers always tends to say all photos are photoshopped, mind you, unless you’re still a child you’d realise that space photos we’re here even long before Photoshop was existed, plus even before NASA was even existed, the earth was already proven to be round. Don’t believe everything you read, do experiments yourselves

Jason
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Jason

I always liked the cherrypicking of which photos are safe to use and which are not. Photos from space are a no-go; they are composites. Photos from commercial airliners; nope, because the windows heavily distort the images (but apparently only while flying at altitude, since photos while on the ground seem distortion free). But a P900 or P1000 at the beach zooming in on cargo ships, well, that’s OK (although that zoom feature doesn’t actually do what FE’ers seem to think, such as bringing a ship over the horizon back into full view.)

Udge
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Udge

No pole to pole circumnavigation……we have west to east but no north/ south. There is one entry in the Guinness book of records given to an English guy for north south circumnavigation BUT he didn’t cross Antarctica and sail back to his starting point! He started from the North Pole and travelled to the tip of Antarctica………then turned back! That’s not completing a full circle……maybe it’s not possible…….cos earth is flat…..check it out and be honest with yourselves.

Greg
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Greg

Well obviously he couldn’t travel any further, the wall at the end of the Earth would have stopped him. 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉

Donnie Jr
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Donnie Jr

i doubt that, he probably got lost and/or died. JUST ACCEPT IT THE EARTH IS ROUND

JKlumpp
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JKlumpp

You have little appreciation of the history of actual record-making journeys, Udge, it would appear.
Our planet has been completely encircled by aircraft in the South/North/South (Pole to Pole and back to the starting point) direction some 30 years ago:

In 1988/89 Dick Smith and his co-pilot,the late Giles Kershaw, flew a Twin Otter aircraft VH-SHW (registered after his hero, Sir Hubert Wilkins) following meridians around the world, landing at both the North and South Poles.

http://australianmuseum.net.au/richard-dick-smith-ao

Marco Kelly
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Marco Kelly

On a journey requiring minimal equipment, would you choose to go the warm way or a very cold way?
Just because no one is dumb enough to circumnavigate the globe north to south doesn’t mean it cant be done. Since no one was basing their decision of direction on trying to prove already proven scientific theory, there was very likely very little thought put in to which direction to go.

Scott
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Scott

Why isANTARCTICA completely off limits to private explorers? What are they hiding? If you walk around your neighborhood does that make it a ball? The plane earth surrounded by a 50,000 mile circular ice wall makes a hell of a lot more sense than the globe earth theory, and let’s be clear, this 500 year old theory has NEVER been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, once it is, the flat earth theory will go away, but not until then. No one wants to believe they’ve been lied to their entire lives, to admit it makes you look foolish, but to… Read more »

JKlumpp
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JKlumpp

But Antarctica is most certainly NOT off-limits to record-breaking “explorers”, nor to those seeking employment at stations in Antarctica.

Manon Ossevoort, (then) 38, who’s already driven her tractor across Europe and Africa, reached a milestone when she reached the South Pole in her red Massey Ferguson MF 5610 tractor on December 10, 2014.

Australian citizens with various vocation skills (particularly trades such as Communications, IT, Boilermaker-Welder, Carpenter, Electrician, Fitter and Turner, Plumber, Refrigeration Mechanic, Concreter) can seek employment in Antarctica:
https://jobs.antarctica.gov.au/

Mads Lack
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Mads Lack

@Scott Where is your Single Flat Earth Model that shows: 1. Day and Night 2.Sunrises and Sunsets 3. Seasons You don’t have one and it should be the simplest thing to do! If you could show one then all your twaddle about Flat Earth would be proven in a single stroke and everyone else including scientists would be proven the fools in this debate, not you! YOU do the science to make one, as you are so keen on doing science. When you have one it would make our real science irrelevant, like yours is now and you would have… Read more »

Kacie
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Kacie

I do see how both views could be true. There are valid arguments on both sides. I have come to the conclusion that we really can’t KNOW anything. We think we know what we are taught, but then we find evidence that causes us to question it. And let’s face it, ‘un-learning’ isn’t fun. And maybe, earth is neither a sphere, nor a plane. Maybe it is something else entirely, like a holographic illusion! Our perceptions are not always trustworthy! Our brains can lie to us and they often do! For instance, I went on a cruise recently, and upon… Read more »

Ogimaa
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Ogimaa

I’m concluding bowl shaped?¿ Either way you will fail your class if denying the spherical belief, I don’t believe much of so called science community. Teachers, professed sirs, instructors, all paid to pass on confusion and lies. Even the Bible imply a flat earth, which makes more sense to me than not.

JKlumpp
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JKlumpp

Still, that bible is an ancient book of myth, and any “knowledge” to be found within is grossly out-of-date. Who would get sick nowadays, go to a doctor (or hospital), and seek to have devils (or demons) “cast out” to return to a state of well-being?

JKlumpp
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JKlumpp

Yet Sea Captains have used our Globe-based Maps & Navigation aids at least since the days of Ferdinand Magellan (16th Century), while more in the history of the USA; the powerful US Navy made headlines 110 years ago when they became a blue-water naval force by means of a Navy battle fleet completing a journey around the globe (from 16 December 1907, to 22 February 1909), by order of United States President Theodore Roosevelt. A popular nickname for the vessels in this endeavour was “The Great White Fleet”. This included a visit to Australia: http://www.navy.gov.au/history/feature-histories/great-white-fleet%E2%80%99s-1908-visit-australia Successful navigation in this order… Read more »

Mads Lack
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Mads Lack

@Kacie

If you want real answers then ask all the Flat Earth fanatics to show you a Single Flat Earth Model that shows Day and Night and Sunrises and Sunsets; and also the Seasons Of The Year.

They cannot. They can show you individual pictures, but not a complete model. Until they can, go back to mainstream science for the answers you seek. You will find the truth in those answers, from professionals, not YouTube cowboys.

Philip
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Philip

It is interesting that status quo ‘science’ mocks FEers. The Op also is hateful and unprofessional. I am a 61 y/o physician required to give photographic proof to CMS … with GPS, time-stamps, and sequential photos. CMS does not trust its doctors and their fraud. Globists, OTOH, have no such photographic validation. For 55+ years of ample time, space agencies have never independently validated any photos whatsoever. Yet, I witness plenty of fraudulent footage by the all space agencies. FE models appear to me experimentally proven (land, sea, or sky) . And, until we demo footage or experiments that actually… Read more »

Jason
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Jason

So, you question the actual photographs freely released to the public (by NASA at least; I don’t know if ESA or JAXA, etc, follow similar Freedom of Information-type laws), both the press-release “enhanced” images and composites and the raw, unprocessed images … yet you believe the Flat Earth MODELS to be experimentally proven?? FE can’t even decide, internally amongst themselves, on a model which remotely agrees with real-world observation, let alone provide a single experiment which demonstrates their position in anything resembling a satisfactory, scientific manner. Hopefully I never need to rely on your practice in the event I get… Read more »

The Earth is Round
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All you flat earthers try getting the south pole. Really these flat earthers too much sci-fi [Edited]. And Stranger you say you have members all AROUND the globe. Sound familiar.

Jerry
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Jerry

Do any of you flat earthers realize that if the earth was flat you would be able to see a lit candle from 20 miles away, your field of vision would be almost unlimited,

Corey
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Corey

Or I should be able to see China from the highest building in New York with a scope.

Camont
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Camont

Are you crazy no one can see forever. Think about what said sounds illogical.

Marco Kelly
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Marco Kelly

Yet we can see the stars “on the dome” far beyond where those other things are in our line of sight that we can’t see, for some unexplained reason?
FE believers say we cant see the sun after it sets, although it would be in our line of sight being high above a flat earth, but we can see, very clearly, the stars behind it?
Is there a reasonable explanation for this?
I think not.

STanely Lukas
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There is a tendency for people to reject that reality, that science of the day, on comfortable myths. Things that make them feel at home things that make them much happier that they know what’s going on.

Eduardo
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Eduardo

Flat earth? Viewing range in a powerful telescope would be astronomical yet cant see the things on antartica? For example stand on burj khalifa and look through with a telescope. If you cant see antartica, then the earths curved. Seasons. Imagine the people that belong on the southern hemisphere still receiving the same quality of heat and light in a winter and summer season. A star is a ball of fire, yet spit spotlight like light and heat? You flat earth could say the science of today cant be understood by the generality and still a theory..but what you flat… Read more »

Christopher
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Christopher

Re: Udge
April 10, 2018 at 9:53 pm
“No pole to pole circumnavigation” – This is untrue.

UNITED KINGDOM (GREENWICH)
When
29 AUGUST 1982
The first surface circumnavigation via both the geographical Poles was achieved by Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles Burton (both UK) of the British Trans-Globe Expedition. They travelled south from Greenwich, London, UK on 2 September 1979, crossed the South Pole on 15 December 1980, the North Pole on 10 April 1982, and returned to Greenwich on 29 August 1982 after a 56,000 km (35,000 mile) journey.
Source: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-circumnavigation-via-both-poles-surface

Mike Shellenberger
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Mike Shellenberger

FLAT EARTH = EVERYONE DIES sun burns us up there would be no magnetic field to protect us [edited]

Donnie Jr
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Donnie Jr

perfect, simple explanation

Ogimaa
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Ogimaa

Really?! if the earth iz flat, globe shaped or bowl shaped it’s obvious once again things would be just as they are now. Except no fussing only accepting what truly iz. Apparently the spherical society has gone through a lot of trouble to deny a flat Earth theory. I wonder why the lack of open mindedness and hostility towards those who think and wonder of other possibilities. Who think outside the box.

Jason
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Jason

It’s not lack of open mindedness, its lack of a sensible response from FE regarding seeing some actual evidence. I’ve seen it in this comments section. Mads Lack asked for a model from FE which actually matches what we observe … you know, those things we see with our senses, like sunrises and sunsets, day and night, seasonality. It’s been over a year, and so far no models have been presented here. If FE proponents didn’t proport to be doing science, and instead just admitted they want to believe in a flat earth for whatever reason but have no way… Read more »

sophie Robinson
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sophie Robinson

weirdness ensues. How do satellites stay up over a flat earth?

Nordie
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Nordie

Why doesn’t NASA put a camera on the moon and do a 24 hr loop of earth? And while they are at it , NASA could send probes to do 24 hour loop of south America , Antarctica to show people walking upside down , buildings on their sides, waterfalls running backwards / upside down ect. that might settle this debate. However, I don’t think NASA can do this . It makes more sense to me that everyone on earth believes that they are standing upright at a 90 degree angle. that rivers are flowing N-S and S -N which… Read more »

Tee
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Tee

Your SENSES are NOT science. Do you even know how to do mathmatical physics?

Marco Kelly
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Marco Kelly

Do you travel at all? Have you ever been anywhere but the town you live in?
Why would NASA spend the money to put a camera on the moon to prove to a very small percentage of people, who disbelieve proven scientific theory, that the earth is round when likely no matter how real or sound their proof would be by doing this, FE believers would just call it fake rather than admit they were wrong?
Why?

Charlie
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Charlie

Prove me the Earth is rounded. Don’t show the boring old painted NASA ones since 1972. There’s one saying SEX on it. Shame on you all scientists. 2 little girls send their digital little camera up in a balloon and you know what???. There ain’t a drugging curvature for 6 miles wide, not even for 100 mile radius.

One day NASA’s deception will come when they will start showing rovers and men in cgi going to the Moon and then Mars. Just waiting for the gaffes, lol.is it 2020 yet..hehe

JKlumpp
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JKlumpp

Yet, thanks to our binocular vision, and of parallax, anyone in a favourable still-water location can get close to the water surface and readily perceive through moving their eyes slowly Up-and-Down-and-Up (POV), the water-surface curvature forward-and-backward. By this method, I mean their whole head and Point-Of-View. Birds, which can have their stereoscopic sense reduced because their eyes are close together often use whole head movement to enhance their stereoscopic perception. Maybe all of you are looking in the wrong directions, or you suffer from ‘Curvature Blindness’ ? You are too close to Earth’s surface to perceive any Left-to-Right Horizon curve… Read more »

Marco Kelly
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Marco Kelly

The next time you’re driving in the farmlands, driving down a long steep hill, look at the horizon and notice how the horizon recedes as you go down the hill. This is how you can see the curvature of the earth.
The horizon doesn’t fade due to atmospheric distortion, as you can still see the clouds and possibly the sun beyond the horizon, if it happens to be in that direction. No, it doesn’t fade. It recedes and maintains a sharp line of horizon.

threepeeoh
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threepeeoh

So if the earth is indeed flat this means that science is a scam (I cannot think of a motive for lying about the shape of earth). Let’s say (hypothetically) that ALL scientists are a part of this lie. This would mean that I could enroll in collage right now and begin courses to become a scientist. Through my research and tests I would discover that the laws of nature aren’t what I’ve been told and the earth is indeed flat. At what point do I decide to be a part of the lie and claim that earth is round?… Read more »

sorin
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sorin

Science didnt prove anything…they are storyteller…and making lotta money. What a shame to lie and be paid.

Paul
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Paul

So science hasn’t proven anything, but I suppose so-called “holy books” do prove things? Keep believing in nonsense like the Tower of Babel and that there was a worldwide flood. These are stories (and obviously fictional ones). But yes, it’s scientists who are the story tellers… SMH.

Marco Kelly
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Marco Kelly

And the church isn’t paid a lot of money to maintain the life about Jesus? The Vatican has far more wealth than NASA, if you’d like to “follow the money”.
Look up any of the religious organizations and see what their worth is economically. I’d say the churches have more to gain in perpetuating superstitious beliefs than the scientific community does in “brainwashing”.

Em
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Em

If the earth was flat how could planes and ships/boats be able to sail/fly west to south and/or south to west. I’ll tell you how… it WOULDNT BE POSSIBLE! You are then saying that the ships pass the Antarctic or Atlantic to get west to south making the bow outwards to get around the flat edge like clockwise or anti-clockwise around the flat plate (imagine a clock face laying on your kitchen table) world to get to. [Edited] If you don’t believe the astronauts that have been into space why don’t you go for yourselves and we will be here… Read more »

Lloyd Hunt
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Lloyd Hunt

Your article falls about rather quickly for anyone you truly thinks about it. But don’t worry most people don’t. You haven’t truly researched flat earth I can tell. You blindly believe what you’ve been told showing me your lack of intelligence. You’re right where you belong, with the other sheep.

Simon Magus
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Simon Magus

The earth is flat and motionless just as our eyes, senses and common sense tells us…you chose if you want to believe CGI, animations and globalist elites or yourself…

JKlumpp
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JKlumpp

Any lack of motion at the Earth’s surface and the star-fields would not cycle through their relative positions over the course of 24 hours. I’ll attack YOUR nonsensical argument with a nonsensical counter argument, since that’s all that such a weak proposition deserves- Australia and New Zealand are located in the Southern Hemisphere- (A hemisphere is Half-of-a-Sphere). Because of this location, to a Flat Earth devotee, these two nations should NOT exist- yet they do exist! What’s more, emblems on aircraft of both nations consist of animals which do not have the power of flight: the Kangaroo in Australia and… Read more »

Ronnie Foshee
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Ronnie Foshee

threepeeoh.. Why do we need to know a motive? That question alone keeps you held down from the truth! when you started kindergarden, You sat in a desk just like we did” We were not taugh”! we were indoctrinated. And as long as you remembered what was taught better than I,then you were so-called smarter.
Do you think the scientist and the higher ups of society went to school like we did? Nope!
This whole article looks very very uneducated,from the eyes of the one’s above like Simon, Lloyd and myself who took the time to find the truth!

Tatu ross
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Tatu ross

There are no truths only differences in perspective.

Ydiop
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Ydiop

The one who rules this world is the father of all lies. The truth will unveil to all in time and not on our own timing, but His timing. When that time comes you can say, “Booyah! I told you so,” but then we would be doing what the enemy already wanted us to falling straight into his hands. Teach with humbleness and love and If they have ears to hear let them hear if not shake off the dust from your feet and go onto the next. If you’re an individual with a soul look inside yourself. What does… Read more »

David Dionne
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David Dionne

Hrm…so I lived on Kwajalein, Marshall Islands. We fished ocean-side every weekend for years. Many times the flocks took us great distances from the island. On our way back, using rediculious binoculars (like 150x50s it something, it was 30 years ago) we’d watch for the radar fish to come over the horizon as a visual verification. First we’d see the tippy top of the dish, the more and more and more. Idk, never thought much about it. But it never failed us.

Make of this what you will…

David Dionne
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David Dionne

Radar dish, not fish, stood about 200’ above sea level…I guess, we were in high school, so I didn’t pay much attention. We just did what we were told on how to get back home from open sea. Always worked.

David Dionne
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David Dionne

And just to clarify, we fished for tuna mainly. Counterintuitively, to find the fish, you search the skies for flocks of birds going nuts just above the surface of the water. The tuna drove the bait fish up which attracted the birds. Then we’d troll through the ruckus with lines out. It’d eventually die down and we’d start searching the skies again. So it wasn’t uncommon to find ourselves 75+ miles away from the main island, Kwajalein. On a few occasions it took so long to get back that it was dark (yes, we got in trouble). And when the… Read more »

David Dionne
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David Dionne

Oh, there would also be times where we could see the birds, with the binoculars, but not the water…we wouldn’t go for those unless there was nothing closer cause it could take 10-15 min just to get there, and sometimes it’d die down before we got there. But when we did go for one, we’d keep checking for the water…to see how ‘boiling’ it was. We even joke around saying, I kid you not ‘why the fuk is the earth round! It’s interfearing with our fishing’

Hope this helps…

David Dionne
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David Dionne

It was funny, you know we were kinda scared when we got caught out in the dark. I remember, I was using the binoculars, frantically scanning the horizon. Then suddenly there were lights, I yelped “there it is, I see lights!” and my brother said “yeah, i know ding dong, we can see em too”. It was a relief. The next few times weren’t as stressful, for us. Parents didn’t appear any less unpleased. Great memories.

Mark
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Mark

I do not care, flat or not, God or No God..pointless arguments, because you will not convince either party who is right or wrong even if the evidence is there.

John Hudson
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John Hudson

Two points: First, even though they seem to take all the vitriol from the conspiracy mob, NASA is not the only space agency. There are at least seven national or geographic agencies, plus many private ones. At least two of the others, Russia and China, closely monitored the moon landings. If NASA had cheated, I’m sure those two nations would have loved to tell the world about it, but they didn’t, so it did happen. The first nation in space was Russia, not America. Both Russia and China have landed robot rovers on the moon, several of which can be… Read more »

Spheroidal Earth
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Spheroidal Earth

Everyone of the FE that say the crap about being able to see things beyond the curvature of the earth are forgeting about light refraction via water & atmosphere. But they don’t forget it when they try to say fish eye lense. Can’t have it both ways. Flat earthers riddle me this: How does Gravitropism work in your model of this lumpy pancake earth? How do plants know to grow roots down & stems/stalks/leaves up? How do I know even with my eyes closed that I am standing vertically or laying horizontally? How would vertigo work on this gravity lacking… Read more »

David Dionne
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David Dionne

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, just sharing an experience from my life with the hope that I could serve as a data point.

For all I know, the earth is a shallow arch that never completes a full circle.

David Dionne
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David Dionne

Grrrr…not I, it could serve…

David Dionne
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David Dionne

I’m sorry, I lied, I firmly believe the earth is round…or roundish. But I assure you, when I was in high school, I didn’t give a bleep what it was. I did find the horizon fascinating and everything I experienced reinforced the spherical nature of the earth.