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		<title>By: Ding Ding</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/12/03/end-the-politics-let-scientists-and-engineers-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-416</link>
		<dc:creator>Ding Ding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My advisor, Prof. Jim Williams had an amazing &quot;scientist-style&quot; comeback for a climate change skeptic last week in his talk. He said &quot;if you don&#039;t believe in climate change, you should not bother to use microwave, because they work in the same physics&quot;^_^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advisor, Prof. Jim Williams had an amazing &#8220;scientist-style&#8221; comeback for a climate change skeptic last week in his talk. He said &#8220;if you don&#8217;t believe in climate change, you should not bother to use microwave, because they work in the same physics&#8221;^_^</p>
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		<title>By: C Dunn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/12/03/end-the-politics-let-scientists-and-engineers-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>C Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Decarbonization&quot; is definitely the way to go! For example, Canada has a 3 trillion kilowatt capacity from wind power alone and we little or nothing to harness this. I&#039;m ashamed of BC, who has less wind power than PEI.

Ironically, oil baron Alberta is moving ahead rapidly with wind generation and actually provides incentives to develop it. As the Danish point out, their success in wind power generation is because the government believes in it.

I think our government does not understand the long term incentives to go clean energy and is too much at the behest of big oil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Decarbonization&#8221; is definitely the way to go! For example, Canada has a 3 trillion kilowatt capacity from wind power alone and we little or nothing to harness this. I&#8217;m ashamed of BC, who has less wind power than PEI.</p>
<p>Ironically, oil baron Alberta is moving ahead rapidly with wind generation and actually provides incentives to develop it. As the Danish point out, their success in wind power generation is because the government believes in it.</p>
<p>I think our government does not understand the long term incentives to go clean energy and is too much at the behest of big oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Uwe Ohlendorff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/12/03/end-the-politics-let-scientists-and-engineers-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>Uwe Ohlendorff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree to Jeff Sachs in all points. Now the scientists and the engineers are asked more than ever. As a layman and as an intensive observer, I would like to generate some comments that irritate me, and probably some others.

Apparently not all scientists agree that the climate change, which is already set in motion, is caused largely by human hands. Let&#039;s leave aside the question of whether the sceptics concern to so-called &quot;pseudo scientists&quot;, so by people who act only half-heartedly and without knowledge of all available information, or whether they concern scientists who operate in the service of lobbyists. That irritations can lead to uncertainties within the populations of all nations. On the other side there are so-called &quot;alarmists&quot; which cause horror scenarios under ignorance of all scientific knowledge and appear with excessive and disoriented demands which drives the industry to more powerful lobbying activities in politics.

I am persuaded of the fact that there also requires among scientists and engineers a moderate treatment of this awkward subject and that a demarcation to groupings of both sides is conducive. A transparency of the science is asked now.
I am absolutely sure that on the part of the science nearly everything is already insightfully finished or is intensely in treatment and that the scientists and engineers are ready to take the responsibility from the politicians and to present and to install an adequate model which protects our environment sustainably and which carries the economics sphere of interest into account.

However, it also requires of the pressure &quot;from below&quot; to persuade politics and lobby. To mobilize the population of putting pressure on the respective governments to operate, finally, with sustainable effect instead of reacting, is in my opinion a not to be underestimated challenge. And there I see another deficiency: The layman gets to know about forthcoming or carrying out climate disasters by the well known media. He gets to know about the climate summit by the press. He reads headlines, written by journalists and reporters who return on the one hand the argumentations of the scientists and of the politicians with own words and comments. On the other hand they are depend on the viewing rate of their channel or the sales results of their newspaper and magazine.

Qualitative and independent information, exposed coherently, are essential in my opinion. This includes a detailed description of measures that have to be taken in practice. They could be designed like manuals or textbooks or something like that. Thus the parameter of the science and the pressure of the citizen could take influence to the politics. But I fear this is a very long way accompanied by almost insurmountable obstacles in this complex interplay between politics, economics and ecology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree to Jeff Sachs in all points. Now the scientists and the engineers are asked more than ever. As a layman and as an intensive observer, I would like to generate some comments that irritate me, and probably some others.</p>
<p>Apparently not all scientists agree that the climate change, which is already set in motion, is caused largely by human hands. Let&#8217;s leave aside the question of whether the sceptics concern to so-called &#8220;pseudo scientists&#8221;, so by people who act only half-heartedly and without knowledge of all available information, or whether they concern scientists who operate in the service of lobbyists. That irritations can lead to uncertainties within the populations of all nations. On the other side there are so-called &#8220;alarmists&#8221; which cause horror scenarios under ignorance of all scientific knowledge and appear with excessive and disoriented demands which drives the industry to more powerful lobbying activities in politics.</p>
<p>I am persuaded of the fact that there also requires among scientists and engineers a moderate treatment of this awkward subject and that a demarcation to groupings of both sides is conducive. A transparency of the science is asked now.<br />
I am absolutely sure that on the part of the science nearly everything is already insightfully finished or is intensely in treatment and that the scientists and engineers are ready to take the responsibility from the politicians and to present and to install an adequate model which protects our environment sustainably and which carries the economics sphere of interest into account.</p>
<p>However, it also requires of the pressure &#8220;from below&#8221; to persuade politics and lobby. To mobilize the population of putting pressure on the respective governments to operate, finally, with sustainable effect instead of reacting, is in my opinion a not to be underestimated challenge. And there I see another deficiency: The layman gets to know about forthcoming or carrying out climate disasters by the well known media. He gets to know about the climate summit by the press. He reads headlines, written by journalists and reporters who return on the one hand the argumentations of the scientists and of the politicians with own words and comments. On the other hand they are depend on the viewing rate of their channel or the sales results of their newspaper and magazine.</p>
<p>Qualitative and independent information, exposed coherently, are essential in my opinion. This includes a detailed description of measures that have to be taken in practice. They could be designed like manuals or textbooks or something like that. Thus the parameter of the science and the pressure of the citizen could take influence to the politics. But I fear this is a very long way accompanied by almost insurmountable obstacles in this complex interplay between politics, economics and ecology.</p>
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		<title>By: Ding Ding</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/12/03/end-the-politics-let-scientists-and-engineers-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>Ding Ding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree &quot;more study is required&quot; should not be the excuse of inaction or procratination. meanwhile we also need to acknowledge we need to develop more knowledge and capacity to develop holistic and effcient solutions. electric vehicles do not make sense unless electricity is largely decarbonized. That&#039;s not an easy thing to achieve. yet we need to do it, without procrastination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8220;more study is required&#8221; should not be the excuse of inaction or procratination. meanwhile we also need to acknowledge we need to develop more knowledge and capacity to develop holistic and effcient solutions. electric vehicles do not make sense unless electricity is largely decarbonized. That&#8217;s not an easy thing to achieve. yet we need to do it, without procrastination.</p>
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		<title>By: C Dunn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/12/03/end-the-politics-let-scientists-and-engineers-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>C Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He mentions electric vehicles and when they will be for sale. GM had a good one that people loved, but they destroyed them. Why do we need more study on the subject? Just to keep academia busy?

With the ever increasing winds that the earth is producing,ironically due to climate change, more investment in wind power would be a good start. Seems like some countries are embracing this technology. It also doesn&#039;t need more study!

The concept that more study is required is simply a stalling tactic to do nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He mentions electric vehicles and when they will be for sale. GM had a good one that people loved, but they destroyed them. Why do we need more study on the subject? Just to keep academia busy?</p>
<p>With the ever increasing winds that the earth is producing,ironically due to climate change, more investment in wind power would be a good start. Seems like some countries are embracing this technology. It also doesn&#8217;t need more study!</p>
<p>The concept that more study is required is simply a stalling tactic to do nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ding Ding</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/12/03/end-the-politics-let-scientists-and-engineers-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Ding Ding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I cannot agree with you more, Art--most scientists and researchers do not talk in the same frequency hence do not resonate much with the general public or the grassroot government officials. Yet, the grassroot public and officials are exactly the integral part of the solution that is overlooked for too long. Jeff also mentioned &quot;social behavior&quot; as one of the solutions. One one side, we are tempted to think it is just to hard to induce social behavioral changes. on the other side, these are probably the most low-hanging fruits. For example, behavioral energy conservation, one of the negative-cost solution that most people do not bother to think about or call for.

although Copenhagen started with finger-pointing, I&#039;m still hopeful that at least at the end, each party would agree that climate change is happending, we need to do something about it, and we at least could start with large scale awareness raising and environmental education for the general public to induce social behavioral changes and to empower the grassroot officials to make more informed decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot agree with you more, Art&#8211;most scientists and researchers do not talk in the same frequency hence do not resonate much with the general public or the grassroot government officials. Yet, the grassroot public and officials are exactly the integral part of the solution that is overlooked for too long. Jeff also mentioned &#8220;social behavior&#8221; as one of the solutions. One one side, we are tempted to think it is just to hard to induce social behavioral changes. on the other side, these are probably the most low-hanging fruits. For example, behavioral energy conservation, one of the negative-cost solution that most people do not bother to think about or call for.</p>
<p>although Copenhagen started with finger-pointing, I&#8217;m still hopeful that at least at the end, each party would agree that climate change is happending, we need to do something about it, and we at least could start with large scale awareness raising and environmental education for the general public to induce social behavioral changes and to empower the grassroot officials to make more informed decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Hobson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/12/03/end-the-politics-let-scientists-and-engineers-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Hobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, Jeffrey Sachs is right on the mark.  But who is responsible for getting the technical information that he asks for, and who is responsible for providing it to the public and the government?  As a scientist, I suggest that it is us, the scientists, who need to do this.  But by and large we haven&#039;t been doing this.  Instead, we focus on narrow professional research, and we avoid contact with the public or with the government.  The typical university science professor focuses on his or her own narrow research first, on PhD students second, and enters undergraduate classrooms as seldom as possible.  Most scientists&#039; only involvement with government is concerned only with narrowly-focused research grants.  The great majority of scientists do not learn about, teach about, or inform the government about the important issues that Sachs mentions:  carbon storage, nuclear power, renewable sources of energy, etc.  We are not interested in scientific literacy for the general public or for government officials, and we avoid the &quot;burden&quot; of teaching scientific literacy courses.  We scientists must step up to the plate and help solve the problems of which Sachs so rightly speaks.  - Art Hobson, Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Arkansas, Fayetteville]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, Jeffrey Sachs is right on the mark.  But who is responsible for getting the technical information that he asks for, and who is responsible for providing it to the public and the government?  As a scientist, I suggest that it is us, the scientists, who need to do this.  But by and large we haven&#8217;t been doing this.  Instead, we focus on narrow professional research, and we avoid contact with the public or with the government.  The typical university science professor focuses on his or her own narrow research first, on PhD students second, and enters undergraduate classrooms as seldom as possible.  Most scientists&#8217; only involvement with government is concerned only with narrowly-focused research grants.  The great majority of scientists do not learn about, teach about, or inform the government about the important issues that Sachs mentions:  carbon storage, nuclear power, renewable sources of energy, etc.  We are not interested in scientific literacy for the general public or for government officials, and we avoid the &#8220;burden&#8221; of teaching scientific literacy courses.  We scientists must step up to the plate and help solve the problems of which Sachs so rightly speaks.  &#8211; Art Hobson, Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Arkansas, Fayetteville</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Bronson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/12/03/end-the-politics-let-scientists-and-engineers-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Bronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeffrey Sachs says; &quot;The costs of these approaches can only be judged after more thorough testing and analysis&quot;.  Unfortunately, the draft language on technology in Copenhagen omits any notion of proper assessment of technologies, meaning that many technologies with very negative environmental and social consequences will get a funding and institutional boost.   THis could include high-risk, planetary-scale geoengineering, technologies, so called second generation biofuels that depend on the massive exploitation of limited &quot;biomass&quot; and nuclear power.   International civil society groups are calling for much more in a declaration called &quot;Lets Look Before We Leap&quot; -- found on www.etcgroup.org.  Check it out and sign it if you care about the future of the planet!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey Sachs says; &#8220;The costs of these approaches can only be judged after more thorough testing and analysis&#8221;.  Unfortunately, the draft language on technology in Copenhagen omits any notion of proper assessment of technologies, meaning that many technologies with very negative environmental and social consequences will get a funding and institutional boost.   THis could include high-risk, planetary-scale geoengineering, technologies, so called second generation biofuels that depend on the massive exploitation of limited &#8220;biomass&#8221; and nuclear power.   International civil society groups are calling for much more in a declaration called &#8220;Lets Look Before We Leap&#8221; &#8212; found on <a href="http://www.etcgroup.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.etcgroup.org</a>.  Check it out and sign it if you care about the future of the planet!</p>
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