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	<title>Comments on: Paying extra for electricity, feeling like a sucker</title>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Electrician</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/01/25/paying-extra-for-electricity-feeling-like-a-sucker/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Wakefield Electrician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So about $21 for a month, and that is with the 200% increase!!!!!! Wow. It costs me around £50 a month for electricity ($70) and I think we do pretty well...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So about $21 for a month, and that is with the 200% increase!!!!!! Wow. It costs me around £50 a month for electricity ($70) and I think we do pretty well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Rahmstorf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2009/01/25/paying-extra-for-electricity-feeling-like-a-sucker/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Rahmstorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In principle you are right - the costs of clean electricity should be paid by everyone. After all, we (and our children, grand-children, ...) will all have to pay the price for the consequences of the CO2 emissions, which are hidden costs of supposedly cheap electricity.

But while not everyone has to pay for this yet (as is to some extent the case in Germany, where all consumers pay a little extra, about 1 cent per kilowatt-hour, to subsidise renewables), you can be part of the avant-garde that pushes for renewables by creating a specific demand. Whether you get those specific electrons in your socket that come out of a wind-mill is irrelevant - electricity in a sense is a currency like  money, and in a financial transaction you don&#039;t usually demand to get a specific 10-dollar note - you just want your 10 dollars.

Two comments on the cost: wind power from reasonably good sites costs about 5 cents per kilowatt-hours, so I don&#039;t understand the 200% price hike - this seems entirely unjustified, and here in Germany getting green electricity only costs a few % extra, not 200%.

But - due mainly to taxes - over here everyone pays more than those 22 cents per kilowatt-hour that you are complaining about...

Final point: cutting your electricity consumption by two thirds (not hard, with efficient appliances and switching off unused gear) will get your bill back to normal even at the price you are now paying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In principle you are right &#8211; the costs of clean electricity should be paid by everyone. After all, we (and our children, grand-children, &#8230;) will all have to pay the price for the consequences of the CO2 emissions, which are hidden costs of supposedly cheap electricity.</p>
<p>But while not everyone has to pay for this yet (as is to some extent the case in Germany, where all consumers pay a little extra, about 1 cent per kilowatt-hour, to subsidise renewables), you can be part of the avant-garde that pushes for renewables by creating a specific demand. Whether you get those specific electrons in your socket that come out of a wind-mill is irrelevant &#8211; electricity in a sense is a currency like  money, and in a financial transaction you don&#8217;t usually demand to get a specific 10-dollar note &#8211; you just want your 10 dollars.</p>
<p>Two comments on the cost: wind power from reasonably good sites costs about 5 cents per kilowatt-hours, so I don&#8217;t understand the 200% price hike &#8211; this seems entirely unjustified, and here in Germany getting green electricity only costs a few % extra, not 200%.</p>
<p>But &#8211; due mainly to taxes &#8211; over here everyone pays more than those 22 cents per kilowatt-hour that you are complaining about&#8230;</p>
<p>Final point: cutting your electricity consumption by two thirds (not hard, with efficient appliances and switching off unused gear) will get your bill back to normal even at the price you are now paying.</p>
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